I don't think it's what Muslim Atheist means, but I'm a Lutheran Atheist. The Lutheran part is purely cultural. No belief, but I do attend Christmas Eve candlelight services. And I have the liturgy memorized through countless childhood services.

(June 21, 2014 at 10:26 pm)Jenny A Wrote: I don't think it's what Muslim Atheist means, but I'm a Lutheran Atheist. The Lutheran part is purely cultural. No belief, but I do attend Christmas Eve candlelight services. And I have the liturgy memorized through countless childhood services.

That is completely understandable. I have no issue when you mean it like that. If you said, I'm a Lutheran but I don't believe in god. I would say, then you're not a Lutheran. Lol. :p
But I don't care if you use the label to discribe your culture or whatever you want to call it.

(June 21, 2014 at 11:08 pm)Losty Wrote: That is completely understandable. I have no issue when you mean it like that. If you said, I'm a Lutheran but I don't believe in god. I would say, then you're not a Lutheran. Lol. :p
But I don't care if you use the label to discribe your culture or whatever you want to call it.

No I'm not really a Lutheran. But the Lutheran view of god is the only one I ever seriously considered. Failed miserably, but so would any other view of god.

I know what you mean
But ma in the other hand...no

(June 21, 2014 at 9:30 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote:

(June 21, 2014 at 9:27 pm)Losty Wrote: I don't believe in any gods.

So am I, Allah is not God and I don't believe in God or Deity.

Just to clarify things for myself here. You've stated a couple of times that Allah isn't god, you've also stated that you're an atheist because you don't believe in gods, so the question I have to ask is - do you believe in Allah?

A simple yes or no answer will suffice, instead of the usual word salad.

(June 22, 2014 at 5:18 am)jesus_wept Wrote: Just to clarify things for myself here. You've stated a couple of times that Allah isn't god, you've also stated that you're an atheist because you don't believe in gods, so the question I have to ask is - do you believe in Allah?

1. No, I'm not an Atheist and never said I'm an Atheist. I'm a Muslim with the ideology of No Religion, No Nonsense, No God and No Deity. It is shirk, and I absolutely reject the concept of "duality".

2. I believe in Allah, according to the logical premises from the Quran, ie. none like Allah and no one know what is Allah. Therefore, I don't know what is Allah and I believe in the Quran and System, not believing something which cannot be proven through facts. Obedience is human jurisdiction, faith is Allah's jurisdiction. I do what is in human jurisdiction and not trying to interfere with Allah's jurisdiction.

Ever tried tellings these things at, lets say, a mosque?

(June 22, 2014 at 7:57 am)Bibliofagus Wrote: Ever tried tellings these things at, lets say, a mosque?

There is nothing new about all this in Islam. Every Muslim knows that Islam is a "Deen" and there is no equal interpretation of "Deen" to other languages. Every Muslim knows the Torah, Psalm and Gospel is the Books of Allah, and none can be a Muslim if they reject these Books. Therefore, there is no religion. Every Muslim knows none is equivalent to "Allah", or any concept whatsoever. . ie. it is Shirk. However, most people just speak basic language because there are many arabic terms in the Quran cannot be interpreted in other languages. It is not the same arabic language of today's arab, ie. it is the Quraish dialects and no one speaks that dialect today.

However, they just don't reinterpreted it in today's terms and relying on Islamic scholars to explain all these.

For example, proof that it is the more precise knowledge of Islam and it has been made to the public.

Allah is not God
http://ahmedhulusi.org/

No one kill him for saying Allah is not God.

(June 21, 2014 at 9:10 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: People cannot discuss the possibility if there is no "subject matter". The possibility of what ?

So I'll take that as a yes. If I discuss the possibility of a god, I already believe in a god.
If I discuss the possibility of the Loch Ness monster, I already believe in the Loch Ness monster.
If I discuss the possibility of aliens, I already believe in aliens.
Etc....

Also, what Losty said is correct.
Your example is flawed. It is considering the possibility of John murdering someone, not the possibility that John exists. John is already established to exist in this example.

The House

"The" is meaningless. . . .it must have the subject matter, ie. "House".

Similarly, "possibility" is meaningless

Possibility of what ?

Therefore, it must have the subject matter, ie. "god exits".

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