Evolution is obvious

[LogicOrDie]

I just wonder how the belivers come to be so blind to any reason. They just think the evolution to be a pure bullshit. But what if I told them about the diversity between human being. How come we have white, black, asian, american indian etc, each have they're own characteristic. If we were from Adam and Eve as the scriptures say, then there should be no such differences. I don't need more than that to deduce the accuracy of this theory

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I think a lot of theists tend to accept evolution but poke holes TOE. Usually citing fossils (???) or simply invoking a god with no other reason than it happens to be the god that they like to worship.

Never underestimate the power of apologetics

[The Grand Nudger]

You would need more than that, actually. "Races" of people don't indicate any meaningful departure from a common lineage. Even starting out with just two ancestors (not likely) nature still seems to favor diversity, and all the "races" are just the sort of thing we absolutely -would- expect to find in any case.

[Bad Wolf]

I don't think I have ever come across an evolution denier who actually understands the theory. The problem is with education I think.

[KUSA]

They will acknowledge species adaptation but not full blown evolution.

[The Grand Nudger]

Unfortunately for them there's no difference. The terms are classifications, modifiers that indicate what lvl of magnification a genetic lineage is being studied under.

[LogicOrDie]

You would need more than that, actually. "Races" of people don't indicate any meaningful departure from a common lineage. Even starting out with just two ancestors (not likely) nature still seems to favor diversity, and all the "races" are just the sort of thing we absolutely -would- expect to find in any case.

Mmm what you're saying seem feeble. Otherwise how can you explain differences in our races ? Since with all our differences we're all humans, that proves that we come from common ancestor. And the part where evolution takes place is when the offsrpings came to diversify. It's clear and needs no more unecessary mystification or doubt

[The Grand Nudger]

Since with all our differences we're all humans, that proves that we come from common ancestor.

at which point, based solely on the information you feel is sufficient to renounce creationism, I the mock cretanist will concede that we do in fact have common ancestors - adam and eve.

Sure, the spread of sub-species we so amusingly refer to as "races" (to avoid likening ourselves to animals, I suspect) isn't any mystery. Not the genetics, not the mechanics. Similarly our common descent and the general timeframe are pretty well hammered out - but there's plenty of time to plug in an adam and eve - jettisoning everything that came before.

I'm not arguing that you're wrong, simply that you're not right for the reasons you stated. This sort of stuff is always an easier target for an apologist than modern synthesis (descent with modification, selection and genetics) is.

[LogicOrDie]

Since with all our differences we're all humans, that proves that we come from common ancestor.

at which point, based solely on the information you feel is sufficient to renounce creationism, I the mock cretanist will concede that we do in fact have common ancestors - adam and eve.

Sure, the spread of sub-species we so amusingly refer to as "races" (to avoid likening ourselves to animals, I suspect) isn't any mystery. Not the genetics, not the mechanics. Similarly our common descent and the general timeframe are pretty well hammered out - but there's plenty of time to plug in an adam and eve - jettisoning everything that came before.

I'm not arguing that you're wrong, simply that you're not right for the reasons you stated. This sort of stuff is always an easier target for an apologist than modern synthesis (descent with modification, selection and genetics) is.

Having a common ancestor doesn't mean it's Adam and Eve. The doctrine of human beings are descendant of those mythical people is wrong when it claims that humans were created separatedly from the rest of the creation. Evolution is a scientific fact based on logic and reality. It's clear that human didn't appear separatedly and suddenly. So as you can see, human and all the rest of the animal kingdom have a common ancestor

[The Grand Nudger]

Having a common ancestor doesn't mean it's Adam and Eve. The doctrine of human beings are descendant of those mythical people is wrong when it claims that humans were created separatedly from the rest of the creation. Evolution is a scientific fact based on logic and reality. It's clear that human didn't appear separatedly and suddenly. So as you can see, human and all the rest of the animal kingdom have a common ancestor

Of course it (having a common ancestor) doesn't mean that, the trouble is that it doesn't exclude it either. Again, I'm not arguing against your point, only helping to refine the manner in which you communicate it. We get plenty of gigglesticks on this board that will spend pages jumping on a poorly worded post rather than taking on the unifying theory of biology (I sympathize, I truly do).