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So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby
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RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby
June 30, 2014 at 1:43 pm
"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping." - Pascal
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RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby
June 30, 2014 at 1:43 pm
They are, I've worked at both..lol.
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RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby
June 30, 2014 at 1:45 pm
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RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby
June 30, 2014 at 1:52 pm
Make sure to thank the Supreme court and Hobby Lobby for raising the abortion rate in the US!
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RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby
June 30, 2014 at 1:55 pm (This post was last modified: June 30, 2014 at 2:09 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(June 30, 2014 at 12:20 pm)Jenny A Wrote: It means The Supreme Court has ruled that some for profit companies do not have to pay for certain kinds of employee contraceptives (morning after pill) under The Affordable Care Act (Obama Care). More broadly it means that closely held (few stockholders) corporations have the right to religious freedom under the 1st Amendment. http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/30/politics/s...raception/


It means, in practice, that the religious can have more freedom to deny freedom to others, than others have freedom to refuse to submit to restrictions imposed by the sensibilities of the religious.
(June 30, 2014 at 1:21 pm)Jaysyn Wrote:
(June 30, 2014 at 1:16 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Cite it as precedent in all manner of failings of the unsaved masses in denying services, coverage, housing, employment, etc.

No Chik-fil-a for you! You don't handle SNAKES !!!!!!!

Not quite understanding what you are getting at here, but the government isn't a "closely-held" private company.


But it is the unremitting goal of some to make the government operate more or less like a closely held private company with an army, a nuclear arsenal, a multilayer system of internal enforcers, a system of prisons with death rows, and an ability to rally stupid patriotism for the services of those holding the company.
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RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby
June 30, 2014 at 2:37 pm
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RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby
June 30, 2014 at 2:39 pm
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RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby
June 30, 2014 at 2:51 pm
(June 30, 2014 at 12:45 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Supreme Court Rulings:

Yesterday:
"Corporations are people too."

Today:
"Corporations have religious freedom."

Tomorrow:
"Corporations have voting rights."

What the fuck? A corporation can't be religious oriented, an association can, a corporation cannot be, religious freedom is usually for individuals, not for collective people.
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RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby
June 30, 2014 at 2:53 pm (This post was last modified: June 30, 2014 at 2:54 pm by Jenny A.)
(June 30, 2014 at 2:51 pm)blackout94 Wrote: What the fuck? A corporation can't be religious oriented, an association can, a corporation cannot be, religious freedom is usually for individuals, not for collective people.

Actually, that part I get. They mean a corporation owned by a very small like-minded group of people can have a religious orientation. Hobby Lobby is entirely family owned.
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RE: So, the SCOTUS sided with Hobby Lobby
June 30, 2014 at 2:57 pm
(June 30, 2014 at 2:53 pm)Jenny A Wrote:
(June 30, 2014 at 2:51 pm)blackout94 Wrote: What the fuck? A corporation can't be religious oriented, an association can, a corporation cannot be, religious freedom is usually for individuals, not for collective people.

Actually, that part I get. They mean a corporation owned by a very small like-minded group of people can have a religious orientation. Hobby Lobby is entirely family owned.

But one thing is the orientation of the people another thing is the collective entity. The entity is formed by the people but both are separate. Objection of conscience can happen if a particular employer is against something, but the whole corporation can't be religious biased. Associations and foundations can, but corporations and enterprises can't, usually they search for profit only.
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