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Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
#41
RE: Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
Yeah, it's all fun and games until they start the stoning. Or lashing. Or hanging. Or burning.

Hahaha. Good fun there what?!
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#42
RE: Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
I'm worried that friend B had to get off the phone to call off the hanging. Even in joke.. I don't think those Muslims will consider it funny.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#43
RE: Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
(July 14, 2014 at 7:25 pm)Luckie Wrote: I'm worried that friend B had to get off the phone to call off the hanging. Even in joke.. I don't think those Muslims will consider it funny.

Actually now Friend A who said i had some thoughts about atheism came up to me and said im an atheist for about a month now.he is going through my experience now as he is afraid from the government and if told his parents they will reject him.
While Friend B who got shocked and didn't believe. he pretty much seems to have forgot about it he even mentioned it and laughed. so i guess its fine
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#44
RE: Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
Good Smile I'm glad. Please keep posting updates!
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#45
RE: Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
Please be careful, Hollyblades.

This could rapidly move very far away from a joke.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great

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#46
RE: Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
Agreed. Even the joke could've been reported and you could be being observed. Please PLEASE be careful!
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#47
RE: Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
(July 17, 2014 at 12:59 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Please be careful, Hollyblades.

This could rapidly move very far away from a joke.


Its been probably 5-6 days by now.Friend B maybe has forgot because of the gaming time and hangouts we do. that joke is probably forgotten by now,but the problem that im having right now is that would i never EVER tell my parents about my beliefs? i cant lie my entire life even i a simple lie i cant stand telling it.now everytime i pray i feel...guilty of something.
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#48
RE: Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
You are guilty of nothing more than sparing yourself some brutality.

Go to school, learn as much as you can, and go to college in Europe, if possible. Or at the very least, Egypt. Get out of Saudi Arabia if at all possible. Then and only then can you be yourself.

The beauty of being a rational person is that you can see when your best option for the time being is to play along.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great

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#49
RE: Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
Atheism is not a cause for which you should put yourself at risk. Praying is not betraying non-belief. You blaspheme
nothing by pretending to pray.

Should you pretend forever? Forever is a long time. Wait until you are grown-up then decide what to risk.

Take care of yourself. You worry the Mom in me.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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#50
RE: Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
I've been absent from this thread, but I've been following it... everyone's advice has been on the mark of what I would give you, Holly...

But there's something that makes me want to scream inside when everyone advises you to get out of that country and, then, start living your life.
Yes, it is the soundest advice possible for an individual in your situation, I agree.
But... but that's not the way to make the society in your country (and those around it) to move forward.
There must be other people in there with the same problem as you... consider your friend A as an example.
My advice would be to try to seek the others out, perhaps there are already groups of similar-minded people and all you have to do is join in. Once these groups reach a certain critical mass, their ideas start spilling out into the society at large, more or less abruptly, depending on particular details which are next to impossible to predict.
I know this is promoting a sort of revolution, with all the hazards to your individual health that come with being one of the first, but let's face it: that place does need a revolution... something from the inside.

That said, now let's try to deal with your personal online safety. Jenny has advised you to use Tails. That's great when you use some computer that's not yours. But it can become mighty suspicious (on your parents side) if you use it on yours, as it probably looks different from your current OS. So, I propose you install TOR browser and follow their guidelines on usage of the browser. Use it for most of what you need to do online, as it will distract any snooping. You can still use your current browser for innocuous stuff, like facebook (avoid mentioning your belief status in there), youtube, wikipedia, etc... just remember to switch when you come here and other places you may find pertaining to your lack of belief.

Once on TOR, check this out: http://salsa4.salsalabs.com/o/50973/p/di..._KEY=10724.

Best of luck!
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