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Vatican Embassy Protestor
#11
RE: Best. Protestor. Ever.
(July 24, 2014 at 7:53 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:
(July 24, 2014 at 7:06 pm)Purplundy Wrote: He has a right to be angry. Francis is a nice guy and all, and he IS acknowledging the problem of child molestation, but he's just. Not. Fixing it.
Francis' gotta grab this papal bull by the horns, so to speak, and make this a thing of the past.

Why not really make an impression and grab the bull by the balls?

Angel

And then get gored to death by the bull. That'd be funny.
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#12
RE: Best. Protestor. Ever.
(July 24, 2014 at 8:18 pm)ShaMan Wrote:
(July 24, 2014 at 8:15 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: The fact that he hasn't done that means that he's in the pocket of the cardinals.
Those assholes have all the pull Angry
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And they're in first place in the MLB. Bastards! Angry

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(July 24, 2014 at 8:20 pm)Sejanus Wrote:
(July 24, 2014 at 7:53 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: Why not really make an impression and grab the bull by the balls?

Angel

And then get gored to death by the bull. That'd be funny.

That bul,l of course, being centuries worth of dogma.
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?

Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
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#13
RE: Vatican Embassy Protestor
(July 24, 2014 at 8:21 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: That bull, of course, being centuries worth of dogma.
Catholicism teaches child rape? Jesus, I sure wasn't paying attention in church.
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#14
RE: Vatican Embassy Protestor
(July 24, 2014 at 9:51 pm)Purplundy Wrote:
(July 24, 2014 at 8:21 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: That bull, of course, being centuries worth of dogma.
Catholicism teaches child rape? Jesus, I sure wasn't paying attention in church.

No, no, they just teach that they're infallible so if they make a mistake they don't make a mistake. It's the old switcharoo.
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?

Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
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#15
RE: Vatican Embassy Protestor
(July 24, 2014 at 11:21 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: No, no, they just teach that they're infallible so if they make a mistake they don't make a mistake. It's the old switcharoo.
I keep on running into this one.
Infallibility in the Catholic Church (papal infallibility) only goes to the Pope, not priest-rapists or the bishops who protect them.
Even papal infallibility has its limits. The pope is not somehow morally superior to the rest of humankind. Not even the things he teaches are necessarily infallible. In the event that Church doctrine is in question, the pope can make an ultimate infallible pronouncement to end controversy.
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#16
RE: Vatican Embassy Protestor
Until Pope Frank opens the archives and turns over every shred of evidence to the authorities as well as anyone implicated in these sex scandals, he's still just another Pope to me.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#17
RE: Vatican Embassy Protestor
Am I the only one those images aren't re-sizing for?
"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping." - Pascal
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#18
RE: Vatican Embassy Protestor
(July 25, 2014 at 7:00 am)Purplundy Wrote: I keep on running into this one.
Infallibility in the Catholic Church (papal infallibility) only goes to the Pope, not priest-rapists or the bishops who protect them.
Even papal infallibility has its limits. The pope is not somehow morally superior to the rest of humankind. Not even the things he teaches are necessarily infallible. In the event that Church doctrine is in question, the pope can make an ultimate infallible pronouncement to end controversy.
So he's infallible.

Except when he's not. Thinking

As an ex-catholic, I can tell you that you're not questioning Papal infallibility deeply enough nor paying enough attention to its impacts. You need to remember that Catholicism is hierarchical and totalitarian: all decisions are signed off by the Pope. That includes all local decisions, which are signed-off by proxy (infallibility is transmitted from one layer of the hierarchy to the next). Therefore it's the ultimate enabler for despicable acts because the church is forced to cover them up in order to protect the entire concept of Papal infallibility.
Sum ergo sum
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#19
RE: Vatican Embassy Protestor
Yes I agree Pope Francis is a marketer and nothing else. He just wants to regain lost followers
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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#20
RE: Vatican Embassy Protestor
(July 25, 2014 at 8:58 am)Ben Davis Wrote:
(July 25, 2014 at 7:00 am)Purplundy Wrote: I keep on running into this one.
Infallibility in the Catholic Church (papal infallibility) only goes to the Pope, not priest-rapists or the bishops who protect them.
Even papal infallibility has its limits. The pope is not somehow morally superior to the rest of humankind. Not even the things he teaches are necessarily infallible. In the event that Church doctrine is in question, the pope can make an ultimate infallible pronouncement to end controversy.
So he's infallible.

Except when he's not. Thinking

As an ex-catholic, I can tell you that you're not questioning Papal infallibility deeply enough nor paying enough attention to its impacts. You need to remember that Catholicism is hierarchical and totalitarian: all decisions are signed off by the Pope. That includes all local decisions, which are signed-off by proxy (infallibility is transmitted from one layer of the hierarchy to the next). Therefore it's the ultimate enabler for despicable acts because the church is forced to cover them up in order to protect the entire concept of Papal infallibility.

I cannot kudos this post enough times. I also know for a fact that it is canon law that every Catholic is required to obey the decisions of the Church and never consider them wrong on anything. The Church is allowed to, for instance, deny communion to Catholic politicians who don't vote the way they say. Of course, that doesn't mean that (as in the 1960 election) anyone should believe Catholic politicians will be chained to Rome. But the authoritarian vein running through the Church since the time of the Roman Empire is certainly there.
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?

Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
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