Muslim Atheism

[Muslim Atheism]

There is still no collusion . . . the point, there is "diversity", but there is "unity". . . and it does not mean "conformity", because there is "freedom".

ie. people shall not dispute others in relation to:

• 1. Faith and Scriptures;
  2. God;
  3. Rituals and Practices.

The system does not stop at freedom of religion, but taking a step further to bring an end to sectarianism through the Confirming Function of the Quran, ie. assimilation of life with people from various religious and non-religious backgrounds and to live as one community, to live as one huge family, no religion, no sectarianism. . .but only the elements of just or unjust.

Yeap, I know. . . both Theism and Atheism cannot accept this ideology. . both are from the same manufacturer, same product, but different labels. . .

• Atheism : Reject ALL religions and ALL Gods.
  
  Theism : Accept their religion and their God(s) only.
  
  Muslim Atheism: Accept ALL religions and ALL Gods through the principle of justly balanced from the Quran (Confirming Function)

[vodkafan]

There is still no collusion . . . the point, there is "diversity", but there is "unity". . . and it does not mean "conformity", because there is "freedom".

I have freedom to reject the rules of the quran. Why don't you jump off your boat and be really free?

[Muslim Atheism]

Huh ?

The title of this thread is about "Muslim Atheism"
This section is about "Philosophy". . .
and the content of this thread is about my personal "philosophy". . .

This is because atheists do not have a common belief system, sacred scripture or atheist Pope. This means atheists often disagree on many issues and ideas. Atheists come in a variety of shapes, colors, beliefs, convictions, and backgrounds. We are as unique as our fingerprints; What is Atheism?

Have I missed something ?

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This is my personal philosophy about the symbol.



People should "prostrate" (serve) all in order to master the Quran and Sunnatullah, Oneness. The more people serve (prostrate) and respect others, the more successful they are.

Here is the summary of the system . . .

• Say: He, Allah , the One (all. . . nothing else exists , only Oneness exists)
  Allah , the Absolute (no internal, no external. . no center, no space, no direction, no time . . .it is everything. Absolute)
  (112.1)
  
  It is You Oneness/Absolute/ALL we served
  and You Oneness/Absolute/ALL we ask for help.
  (1.5)

[vodkafan]

You seem confused. You don't believe in Allah but you keep quoting him and say you have to serve. Why do you need help?
Of course, it is your personal right to follow some rule book if you wish. It's your life to waste.
But you are obviously not as free as someone who has no need of a rule book.
From your previous posts I seem to distill this message:

You are a real atheist because you follow the quran.
Everybody else who calls themselves atheist are wrong.

Let me know if I got that correctly.

[Muslim Atheism]

What's wrong if I'm being confused ?

So I need to "confirm" with your understanding in order not to be confused and allow to express myself in this thread ?

[vodkafan]

Not at all! You don't need my permission at all- just like you don't have to follow the quran. I have hopes that you will make your own mind up one day and leave the quran far behind. Good luck!

[Muslim Atheism]

Then what does this means ?

Why don't you jump off your boat and be really free?

Freedom is about "choices free from phenomenal self (personal fallacy)" and "corroborating to the overall system of nature that we live in" , not about Book or personal fallacy. . .

[vodkafan]

Then what does this means ?

Why don't you jump off your boat and be really free?

Freedom is about "choices free from phenomenal self (personal fallacy)" and "corroborating to the overall system of nature that we live in" , not about Book or personal fallacy. . .

Ah, by "your boat" I meant your reliance on the quran.
You say it yourself, Freedom is not about a book. You are free to follow a book or not to follow a book, and both are equally valid.

[Muslim Atheism]

Ah, by "your boat" I meant your reliance on the quran.

Do you need compass to cross the sea?

. . .

You say it yourself, Freedom is not about a book. You are free to follow a book or not to follow a book, and both are equally valid.

Yes, it is true. . . even the Quran said that:

• As for those who have a disease in their hearts
  it (verses of the Quran) only increased affliction to their affliction
  and they died as rejecters.
  9:125

See? The Book and verses of the Quran is nothing, and any Book is fine as long it teaches people how to be free from "phenomenal self (personal fallacy)". . .

What do you have to be free from personal fallacy or phenomenal self ? What is your system (compass) ? Desires (the animal minds) ?

This is how I see the system to be free from phenomenal self. . .

Desire
Product of Conventional Theism and Atheism
(The Animal Mind, Phenomenal Self, Egoic Consciousness)
(e.g. people got angry when they are hurt, or hungry. . and even kill others etc)
↓
Conscious Mind
(The Intellectual Mind, Scientist)
↓
↓
↓
Subconscious Mind
(Enlightenment)
(not yet reached the "Heart" because no "Oneness" with life as a whole)
(ie. both good and evil as "One". . therefore, no balance, only "goodness" and it is not "life/reality")
↓
↓
+---------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------+
↓
↓
Heart
Oneness
Good and Evil as One
↓
Soul
No God
Reality

[FatAndFaithless]

Ah, by "your boat" I meant your reliance on the quran.

Do you need compass to cross the sea?

. . .

You say it yourself, Freedom is not about a book. You are free to follow a book or not to follow a book, and both are equally valid.

Yes, it is true. . . even the Quran said that:

• As for those who have a disease in their hearts
  it (verses of the Quran) only increased affliction to their affliction
  and they died as rejecters.
  9:125

See? The Book and verses of the Quran is nothing, and any Book is fine as long it teaches people how to be free from "phenomenal self (personal fallacy)". . .

What do you have to be free from personal fallacy or phenomenal self ? What is your system (compass) ? Desires (the animal minds) ?

This is how I see the system to be free from phenomenal self. . .

Desire
(The Animal Mind, Phenomenal Self, Egoic Consciousness)
(e.g. people got angry when they are hurt, or hungry. . and even kill others etc)
↓
Conscious Mind
(The Intellectual Mind, Scientist)
↓
↓
↓
Subconscious Mind
(Enlightenment)
(not yet reached the "Heart" because no "Oneness" with life as a whole)
(ie. both good and evil as "One". . therefore, no balance, only "goodness" and it is not "life/reality")
↓
↓
+---------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------+
↓
↓
Heart
↓
Soul

My animal mind desires that you will stop mutilating logic and the english language.