Why I Don't Believe in Atheism

[MPCADF]

For me it is really simply why I don't believe in atheism, because the universe can't come from nothing, that is, non-existence, because that which does not exist can't cause anything, since it doesn't exist. We only have evidence of causation from 'something', no evidence to the contrary.

And I don't believe in atheism because the universe(s) could not have always existed because if it (they) had then by definition there would have been an be an infinite regress of cause and effects, so you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened. And self-contradictorily, you would never have existed because a past eternity would continue to go on for eternity, thus never reaching this point of existence now.

Therefore, by this evidential reasoning, I conclude nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is Whom I call God. Logical, since we know the uncreated Creator exist, it is incumbent upon us to find out where God reveals Himself personally. The initial caveat is that God is not self-contradictory so only one religion can be the correct one.

[The Valkyrie]

But it's always amazing how your god is exempt from the necessity of being created . . .

Convenient, huh?

Oh, and you should believe in atheism because you've come to a board full of atheists: evidence that atheism exists.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I think you're confusing atheism with cosmology.

Also, St Anselm's "proofs" have been torn apart pretty convincingly. The fallacy he commits in this argument is special pleading. Please read that link before replying.

[Silver]

Oh, the something from nothing spiel again.

If something cannot come from nothing, then neither can your silly fictional god. And claiming that he can because he's god is mere special pleading, a fallacy with no basis in reality or logic.

[MPCADF]

But it's always amazing how your god is exempt from the necessity of being created

I think you misunderstood the opening post.

The opening post shows nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, thus being uncreated.

When a person uses the term 'God' that's what they are referring to this proven 'uncreated Creator' that can't be nature.

Simple.

[Zen Badger]

For me it is really simply why I don't believe in atheism, because the universe can't come from nothing, that is, non-existence, because that which does not exist can't cause anything, since it doesn't exist. We only have evidence of causation from 'something', no evidence to the contrary.

And I don't believe in atheism because the universe(s) could not have always existed because if it (they) had then by definition there would have been an be an infinite regress of cause and effects, so you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened. And self-contradictorily, you would never have existed because a past eternity would continue to go on for eternity, thus never reaching this point of existence now.

Therefore, by this evidential reasoning, I conclude nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is Whom I call God. Logical, since we know the uncreated Creator exist, it is incumbent upon us to find out where God reveals Himself personally. The initial caveat is that God is not self-contradictory so only one religion can be the correct one.

Good-o, would you like a cookie?

[Natachan]

Oh boy, the cosmological argument!

The idea of "before" the universe is nonsensical. Time began at the Big Bang, there was no "before." If you think there was give reasons for this. You claim everything needs a cause. Not on a quantum scale, it doesn't. Stuff pops in and out of existence all the time.

[MPCADF]

So if anyone wants to try to challenge the proof you're welcome to do so.

[Bad Wolf]

When you say 'I don't believe in atheism' you sound really stupid. You know why? Because all atheism is, is: 'a lack of belief in god'. So what you are effectively saying is 'I don't believe in you not believing in my god'. Atheism is a lack of a belief and therefore it is impossible to hold it as a belief.

[CapnAwesome]

Referencing a deistic style God seems like a horrible reason to be a Christian.