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breeding like rabbits
August 14, 2014 at 8:36 am
Why are people who can't stop having kids usually more religious than the general population (even in the middle east), what does science say about that?
And what groups in your country can't stop having kids?
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RE: breeding like rabbits
August 14, 2014 at 8:42 am
(August 14, 2014 at 8:36 am)czúzyt ylgájla Wrote: Why are people who can't stop having kids usually more religious than the general population (even in the middle east), what does science say about that?
And what groups in your country can't stop having kids?
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I think you got it the wrong way round. It's not that people who can't stop having kids are more religious, it's the religion itself that tells them to have more kids. There are plenty of sects and doctrines that emphasize large families (generally dating back to the days when a tribe's survival depended upon having lots and lots of kids), such as the Quiverfull Movement in the US or anti-contraception ideas in the Catholic church.
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August 14, 2014 at 8:49 am
My brother's teacher told them that contraception is immoral (they didn't take her seriously), the problem is his school was supposed to be better than the one I've been to, our biology teacher there was "scientific" albeit religious (I think). When I moved to his school the teacher just read the textbook. (oh how love moaning).
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RE: breeding like rabbits
August 14, 2014 at 9:41 am
I don't see anything wrong with breeding like rabbits. I contempt that saying, and would like it to re-read: Breeding like Catholics.
Apparently I read in Iran, they are told how many kids to have and its like 5-6. Which is, ridiculous by first world standards..
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RE: breeding like rabbits
August 14, 2014 at 9:49 am
- Poorer countries tend to be more religious
- Religious people are far more conservative, specially if there's a predominant fundamentalist doctrine and the form of government is a theocracy
- Therefore, not only will these people be against contraception, but they'll also have lots of kids because they may see procreation as a commandment by god. Having kids also means, in poorer countries, a mean to get more income. Abortion is also a sin, so that means more children will be born
A curious fact, here in Portugal I have noticed that even with the option to abort free of charges, poorer people from social neighbourhoods are the ones who have more kids even if they can't provide for them (this is also a way to gain massive pensions from the state, more than 3 kids will give you a tremendous amount until they are grown ups). Very curious. And then we complain the lack of young people because of financial crisis, sounds incoherent.
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RE: breeding like rabbits
August 14, 2014 at 9:51 am
(August 14, 2014 at 9:41 am)Luckie Wrote: I don't see anything wrong with breeding like rabbits. I contempt that saying, and would like it to re-read: Breeding like Catholics.
Apparently I read in Iran, they are told how many kids to have and its like 5-6. Which is, ridiculous by first world standards..
I have four siblings, what's wrong with that? ![Undecided Undecided](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/undecided.gif)
My brother's friend has at least 15 siblings (and check the saud royal family).
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RE: breeding like rabbits
August 14, 2014 at 10:29 am
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2014 at 10:33 am by The Grand Nudger.)
There's a correlation between poverty and family size, and a correlation between poverty and level of education, and a correlation between poverty, level of education, and religiosity. Maybe "religious" people are having more children not -because- they are religious, but because it is an effective strategy if you are poor and/or uneducated? That the strategy of the masses lines up with the doctrine of any religious body essentially comprised of the masses wouldn't really be all that surprising. Churches need bodies like life needs bodies-and for similar reasons.
Of course, there would be exceptions, lol. I have 5 kids; and I am not poor, uneducated, or religious.
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RE: breeding like rabbits
August 14, 2014 at 10:51 am
Nothing wrong with that in itself sir. It would depend upon where you live and whether your family was able to support you without due harm to themselves and their ability for financial longevity after having raised you and gotten all four of you (who wanted to go) through college.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: breeding like rabbits
August 14, 2014 at 10:52 am
Setting any financial barriers to entry on children is effectively claiming that the poor should just hurry up and die off as a genetic lineage. Just wanted to put that out there.
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RE: breeding like rabbits
August 14, 2014 at 10:53 am
(August 14, 2014 at 9:41 am)Luckie Wrote: I don't see anything wrong with breeding like rabbits. I contempt that saying, and would like it to re-read: Breeding like Catholics.
Apparently I read in Iran, they are told how many kids to have and its like 5-6. Which is, ridiculous by first world standards..
But man, is it fun to try keeping up like that.
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