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RE: Tacitus
August 19, 2014 at 4:06 am
(August 19, 2014 at 4:02 am)revivin Wrote: (August 19, 2014 at 4:00 am)Tobie Wrote: You cannot use the NT as evidence for things written in the NT. It is called circular reasoning and is a fallacy.
I don't think it is circular reasoning. You would have show that.
What the NT is is various individuals recording history. And they all agree the 12 Apostles believed they saw Jesus alive from the dead in various groups.
What better evidence could you ask for?
I ask for evidence independent of the claim. The Bible is the claim. The Bible was written by different people, but at different times, and there is evidence that a lot of the gospels derive from one document.
Several people agree that Ancient Greeks believed in Zeus. Does that make Zeus real? No. Just because people agree on a belief, the belief does not become real.
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RE: Tacitus
August 19, 2014 at 4:13 am
(August 19, 2014 at 4:09 am)revivin Wrote: (August 19, 2014 at 4:06 am)Tobie Wrote: I ask for evidence independent of the claim. The Bible is the claim.
What sort of evidence do you think would deem independent of the claim?
Evidence that is not scripture (unless that scripture has nothing whatsoever to do with christianity). Preferably also not verbal tradition or someone writing down what some other bloke told them.
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RE: Tacitus
August 19, 2014 at 4:21 am
An example could be the gecentric model of the universe. A lot of groups belived this, then observation (evidence) that anybody with the knowhow could verify, for themselves, proved it incorrect. That is an example of evidence. It doesn't rely on subjectivity and can be verified by anybody. That is better evidence then a group of individuals agreeing on something and making the claim that their agreement is proof of the truth of that which they agreed on.
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RE: Tacitus
August 19, 2014 at 4:27 am
Ah, so you can't read past the first line of a post eh?
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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RE: Tacitus
August 19, 2014 at 4:28 am
Gen. 1.1 allows for the big bang and Gen. 2.7 which says the body is from dust (even the dust of the stars).
