Christianity in America is so fucked up

[Lucanus]

Where's the hate? Where's the persecution? Where's the discrimination?

Oh, wait, I found it. In your head.

[Huggy Bear]

Also if you can find christian posts with similar vitriol, please share.

[Lucanus]

It's not the vitriol that counts, it's the actual content of the post.

[Huggy Bear]

Where's the hate? Where's the persecution? Where's the discrimination?

Oh, wait, I found it. In your head.

Are posting PM's from mod's against the rules? Can any mod clarify?
Or quoting any PM?

[Drich]

Reading some of the comments of the American Christians on here, it really makes me sad for those of you that have to put up with it all.

In the UK Christianity is synonomous with kindness/love etc. It may be stupid, but at least the Christians here tend to be nice, and fairly tolerant people (certianly the ones I've met). The impression I get on here is that to them Christianity is just an excuse for many to act like stone age barbarians. Hatred and persecution of anyone who isn't like them, backed up with by a religion that tells them they are morally superior for doing so.

All the superstitious shit I find very annoying, but I can live with. Destroying the lives of others is another thing entirely. Removing rights of anyone who isn't a Christian male, impeding education and preventing science make peoples lives better. Then there is all the hypocrisy that goes with it. Rules about sex outside marriage, porn etc are ignored. We all are sinners means that anything can be excued. Actually this applies to Islam too where, for example, you can get married for a few hours to a prostitute (God is obviously too stupid to see through this).

I think there is also the extreme free market philosophy of the US, which actually ties in to religion and deeply affects it (and perhaps exacerbates it too). If you think that your brach of Christianity is the same as that elsewhere, and that background culture doesn't influence it then you are ignoring the obvious.

Any thoughts?

(disclaimer: Of course, this doesn't apply to all American Christians, and also applies to other countries and/or religions)

so you are intollerant of whom youve deemed intollerant?

[Dorian Gray]

The "tolerant" versions of Christianity are, in my opinion, abominations and misinterpreted variants of scripture. Revelations 3:16 says "So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth." The Biblical god doesn't like fence riders.

One of my favorite quotes of Sam Harris: "religious moderation is the product of secular knowledge and spiritual ignorance." I would much rather have a conversation or debate with people who believe in all the miracles, brimstone and fire, Adam and Eve, Noah's ark,and literal interpretations. Moderates are holding on to the vestiges of their beliefs by categorizing themselves as "Christians" and giving strength to the fundamentalists who are still trying to pass anti-abortion laws, stop same sex unions, and basically control what people do with themselves and other consenting in the privacy of their own homes.

The Bible is fairly clear in its message of supposed morality. People who go to a "Christian" church and still retain their own beliefs about things are, in my opinion, not Christians. I find it increasingly funny that many church-goers (and here I mean Christian churches) readily admit to a belief in god, but when the name Jesus is mentioned they start to squirm and get a little uncomfortable. Christians, after all, worship the Christ, and he is Jesus, son of god, savior of mankind.

So if people attend a Christian church and don't believe in it ALL, hook, line and sinker, you are lukewarm, subject to god's eternal punishment, and can't readily call yourself a Christian. This going to church to listen to a sermon, feel good listening to some supposedly inspiring "praise and worship" while waving your hands in the air, get a good message on morals, then go home and continue to pick and choose what you believe in the Bible is simply unacceptable by Biblical standards. You would by definition, be a Theist, not a Christian.

[Anomalocaris]

Reading some of the comments of the American Christians on here, it really makes me sad for those of you that have to put up with it all.

In the UK Christianity is synonomous with kindness/love etc. It may be stupid, but at least the Christians here tend to be nice, and fairly tolerant people (certianly the ones I've met). The impression I get on here is that to them Christianity is just an excuse for many to act like stone age barbarians. Hatred and persecution of anyone who isn't like them, backed up with by a religion that tells them they are morally superior for doing so.

All the superstitious shit I find very annoying, but I can live with. Destroying the lives of others is another thing entirely. Removing rights of anyone who isn't a Christian male, impeding education and preventing science make peoples lives better. Then there is all the hypocrisy that goes with it. Rules about sex outside marriage, porn etc are ignored. We all are sinners means that anything can be excued. Actually this applies to Islam too where, for example, you can get married for a few hours to a prostitute (God is obviously too stupid to see through this).

I think there is also the extreme free market philosophy of the US, which actually ties in to religion and deeply affects it (and perhaps exacerbates it too). If you think that your brach of Christianity is the same as that elsewhere, and that background culture doesn't influence it then you are ignoring the obvious.

Any thoughts?

(disclaimer: Of course, this doesn't apply to all American Christians, and also applies to other countries and/or religions)

so you are intollerant of whom youve deemed intollerant?

You are still allowed here, aren't you?

[Simon Moon]

You are still allowed here, aren't you?

Exactly.

I can't even remember how many times I've been banned from Christian forums for doing nothing more that asking legitimate questions in the nicest possible tone.

And what kind of responses did I get from members before I was banned? Wishes that I be tortured for eternity for my blasphemy.

There's a difference between making fun of ridiculous beliefs and being intolerant.

[Minimalist]

You are still allowed here, aren't you?

But every board needs one of these.




Drippy serves the purpose.

[Drich]

You are still allowed here, aren't you?

Exactly.

I can't even remember how many times I've been banned from Christian forums for doing nothing more that asking legitimate questions in the nicest possible tone.

And what kind of responses did I get from members before I was banned? Wishes that I be tortured for eternity for my blasphemy.

There's a difference between making fun of ridiculous beliefs and being intolerant.

..and I've been bann from 1/2 a dozen atheist forums for answering questions.. There are websites on both sides who foster and only want to support like minded sheepople

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The "tolerant" versions of Christianity are, in my opinion, abominations and misinterpreted variants of scripture. Revelations 3:16 says "So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth." The Biblical god doesn't like fence riders.

One of my favorite quotes of Sam Harris: "religious moderation is the product of secular knowledge and spiritual ignorance." I would much rather have a conversation or debate with people who believe in all the miracles, brimstone and fire, Adam and Eve, Noah's ark,and literal interpretations. Moderates are holding on to the vestiges of their beliefs by categorizing themselves as "Christians" and giving strength to the fundamentalists who are still trying to pass anti-abortion laws, stop same sex unions, and basically control what people do with themselves and other consenting in the privacy of their own homes.

The Bible is fairly clear in its message of supposed morality. People who go to a "Christian" church and still retain their own beliefs about things are, in my opinion, not Christians. I find it increasingly funny that many church-goers (and here I mean Christian churches) readily admit to a belief in god, but when the name Jesus is mentioned they start to squirm and get a little uncomfortable. Christians, after all, worship the Christ, and he is Jesus, son of god, savior of mankind.

So if people attend a Christian church and don't believe in it ALL, hook, line and sinker, you are lukewarm, subject to god's eternal punishment, and can't readily call yourself a Christian. This going to church to listen to a sermon, feel good listening to some supposedly inspiring "praise and worship" while waving your hands in the air, get a good message on morals, then go home and continue to pick and choose what you believe in the Bible is simply unacceptable by Biblical standards. You would by definition, be a Theist, not a Christian.