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First, I have considered myself 'Atheist' before, and have since moved on to a differen tview-point. From this view-point, I have come to better understand Atheism in a new light, and see certain of it's characteristics which I do not believe I could ever truly adhere to without lying to myself.
I joined here to further understand Atheism and Atheists since, no longer being one of them, I cannot say what it is like to be one completely. Ironically, the more I understand it, the less I understand why anyone would want to be it.*
Simply put, I have faith in my own perspective because I have overcome obstacles in the past which have led me to a better understanding of my own view-point.
*If you care, I'll soon be posting two topis, one of which will be entitled "The Nature of Atheism." Hopefully that will shed some light on my posts here.
Well if your post in the topic "The Nature of Atheism." is the line "Atheism is not believing in any gods" then you will be spot on. Anything else has nothing to do with atheism at all.
Best regards,
Leo van Miert
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you
(January 28, 2010 at 8:26 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: Well if your post in the topic "The Nature of Atheism." is the line "Atheism is not believing in any gods" then you will be spot on. Anything else has nothing to do with atheism at all.
Haha, we shall see what you make of my thoughts on the subject! I hope for the topic to appear tonight, but I've got quite a deal to attend to first, so it may not be so until around lunchtime tomorrow.
He spells "atheism" / "atheist" with a capital letter leo, and he frequently argues from both ignorance and personal incredulity. I haven't got high hopes for him.
(January 28, 2010 at 8:37 pm)Tiberius Wrote: He spells "atheism" / "atheist" with a capital letter leo, and he frequently argues from both ignorance and personal incredulity. I haven't got high hopes for him.
(January 27, 2010 at 7:21 pm)TruthWorthy Wrote: What gives a christian the desire to participate in atheist forums such as this one. I've listed some of my ideas, but I'd like genuine responses especially from christian's or other's of a different faith.
(January 27, 2010 at 7:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: h) to discuss religion with people who are really interested in it
(January 27, 2010 at 7:39 pm)TruthWorthy Wrote: Ok but why choose the atheist forums for this, of all people who are interested??
(January 27, 2010 at 7:45 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Here it's possible to get to the core. Faith heads only want to further a train of thought.
I like to learn stuff about Christianity and have plenty of heroes there to check out. Mutual ego stroking doesn't attract me, and I haven't found anywhere online that doesn't fail there.
(January 27, 2010 at 7:50 pm)TruthWorthy Wrote: So you enjoy the conflict/arguments because you don't want your opinions reinforced by others - you want them challenged?
(January 27, 2010 at 8:31 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: s'pose yeah.
(January 27, 2010 at 7:39 pm)TruthWorthy Wrote: Now I have to ask whether the motivation in argument/conflict of ideas is motivated by either the argument for the sake of persuasion/arguement, or for the outcome of improving your personal understanding/outlook.
Sorry, I'm just inquisitive by nature.
(January 27, 2010 at 10:20 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Faith can't be based on something verifiable - that's an intellectually bankrupt notion. Belief is very real and basic.
The hard evidence could or could not be proof of God ...do you see that it can never be verifiable? That's how it has to be, and that's how it works out logically. I'm not interested in changing anyone's mind.. which is why I have no interest in explaining the detail. What I do have interest in is the logical concept of the idea.. which people then aren't satisfied with because they want to know the fine details of faith... which they at the same time deny... so that's a completely pointless exercise, and something I just can't be bothered to indulge.
That's a common theme. People have no come back on the point and go into safe ground of classic old arguments because they know that can lead no where and they can feel they've held ground.
(January 27, 2010 at 10:24 pm)TruthWorthy Wrote: So you could simply state that the faith and belief you experience is personal/subjective, right?
(January 27, 2010 at 10:26 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I'm a conventional mainstream Christian. I'm part of a body of Christians who all believe and experience what they agree to be in line with each other. It's personal/ subjective and interpersonal and shared.
(January 27, 2010 at 11:36 pm)TruthWorthy Wrote: So you're saying that's it's the collective interpretation of the christian culture and the accepted personal subjective experiences based on this faith?
(January 27, 2010 at 11:36 pm)TruthWorthy Wrote: Would you be kind enough to confirm or correct my apprasal here?
(January 28, 2010 at 3:07 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Looks ok to me TW.
(January 28, 2010 at 3:07 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(January 28, 2010 at 8:32 am)TruthWorthy Wrote: Are you happy to grow out of christianity if your mind were to grow in that direction?
Absolutely
What makes such sources acceptable for descerning Jesus/God is true?
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