The Newly Departed thread: announcements (departures)

[Edwardo Piet]

Word salad.

Lol I always get that when I say things that make sense but someone can't make sense of it lol.

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Hammy, I find that ironic, you talk about Logic almost as if it's platonic, while you actually believe it's a program in the mind generated by a mathematical design through evolution.  Pick one side or the other bro!

Well... what do you mean I think it's platonic?

Logic deals with matters that are true independent of opinion.... but I wouldn't say that logic 'exists'. It's true that 2+2=4 but I wouldn't say that dealt with existence. Mathematics and logic deal with truth, not existence. They can be used to refer to existence: We can say that if we have two objects and two more objects then we have four objects, and that's true. But the number 4 isn't something besides a label to point to the 4 objects.

[Mystic]

I think you are awfully confused.

[Edwardo Piet]

That's the common thing you see. "I don't understand" becomes "So it must be the other person's fault."

So you think 2+2=4 isn't objectively true? It doesn't require platonism to accept the fact that two things and two things is four things, independent of brains to be aware of those four things.

[Mystic]

That's the common thing you see. "I don't understand" becomes "So it must be the other person's fault."

It's connected to language, logic is in everything we say.  It's definitely a living aspect of us or else we would not understand a word we speak to each other.

[Edwardo Piet]

That's the common thing you see. "I don't understand" becomes "So it must be the other person's fault."

It's connected to language, logic is in everything we say.  It's definitely a living aspect of us or else we would not understand a word we speak to each other.

Lol so it's you who is subscribing to platonism. How ironic lol.

[Mystic]

I don't understand you divorcing mathematics from it, where there has to be a mathematical design in the brain that makes logic work, no(from your paradigm)?

[Edwardo Piet]

I don't understand you divorcing mathematics from it, where there has to be a mathematical design in the brain that makes logic work, no(from your paradigm)?

No they are very connected.

Let's put it this way: mathematics is logic with numbers and logic is mathematics with words.

The point is that, you won't prove free will by doing sums.

But it's pointless anyway. There are two kinds of free will, one I reject and one I accept. The one I accept everyone knows exists (well, everyone except a total fatalist)... and the one I reject has already been proven false.

[Mystic]

I don't understand you divorcing mathematics from it, where there has to be a mathematical design in the brain that makes logic work, no(from your paradigm)?

No they are very connected.

Let's put it this way: mathematics is logic with numbers and logic is mathematics with words.

The point is that, you won't prove free will by doing sums.

But the mathematic design in nature (in the brain) is important from your paradigm is it not to the question if free-will is possible in naturalism (no supernatural) or not?

[Edwardo Piet]

No they are very connected.

Let's put it this way: mathematics is logic with numbers and logic is mathematics with words.

The point is that, you won't prove free will by doing sums.

But the mathematic design in nature (in the brain) is important from your paradigm is it not to the question if free-will is possible in naturalism (no supernatural) or not?

I don't know what you mean by saying that design in nature is "mathematical."

The evolution of brain function is more down to natural selection.

Sure, logic and mathematics is related. But it is not clear what you mean when you say that design in nature is "mathematical".

But like I said... one kind of free will I don't deny. The other that I do deny has already been proven false.

[The Valkyrie]

See, no Valk.

She hasn't been around for a few days.

Burying the bodies