The Newly Departed thread: announcements (departures)

[tackattack]

I guess I'll go hang out in Ryleh. I prefer my conversations uncensored and my debates more civil. I know brainiac number 1 has plans...he always does. what about a more formalized set of rules for the debate section something as simple as a discussion section under debate.
Here's what I see.
Topic is debated -> discussion thread open for debate discussion civilly (sp?) ->people discuss topic civilly -> 30 days old the debate gets put in archives. that leaves a fully populated thread of discussions with civility rules? Or people can ignore the debate and it's subordinate discussion entirely. Or people can open a Ryleh thread on the debate to express their frustration less civilly?
No need to censor the rest of the forums more, and as long as people don't mind seeing the section on the newest, than I don't see any structural changes that need to be done.

[Shell B]

There is no Civil Discussion subforum. That's been scrapped because of the "hysteria," or rather because there was no majority feeling in either direction. You may find that we have to make the forum more "civil" on the whole to prevent this kind of bullshit from happening, and that now, you will only be able to call someone an asshole in R'lyeh.

Will we as a whole forum talk about it first before any decision is enacted? Perhaps some of us may have some good suggestions.

You know, I considered having a suggestions thread about it. I'll probably bring it up, but don't be surprised if it doesn't fly. If that thread devolves into more nonsense about how atheists are mean and theists are cunts, I'm grounding everyone. For what it's worth, I will behave if we do have said discussion. It's worth having.

[Catholic_Lady]

Yep, plenty of respected atheists here liked the idea and intended on putting it to use. Whateverist, VulcanLogician, LadyForCamus, Aegon, Tiberius, Poca, Fat&Faithless, Belaqua, Mooney, etc... and even Khem, who I otherwise despise, was really impressing me and I was for once able to relate to some of what he was saying and see his point of view.

That always surprised me that you two didn't click, although he can be challenging. But he and I started here together and I swear if I could have just one forum member to have grown up with as a brother, he'd be it regardless of who was first born. He is brilliant and fall down funny. Plus he practices at least the second half of your motto. He is fearless. And he isn't exclusively kind but his kids all seem to like him and his wife would kick your ass if you made a move on him. (Not that a respectable lady like you would of course.)

Well he was super nasty to me right off the bat. On my very first thread on AF. I tried to get along with him for a long time because people kept telling me he was cool. But he was always just a complete dick to me. No reason why I should like someone who treats me like a piece of shit. Also, he is the only person I have on ignore. That kinda says a lot.

[Shell B]

I guess I'll go hang out in Ryleh. I prefer my conversations uncensored and my debates more civil. I know brainiac number 1 has plans...he always does. what about a more formalized set of rules for the debate section something as simple as a discussion section under debate.
Here's what I see.
Topic is debated -> discussion thread open for debate discussion civilly (sp?) ->people discuss topic civilly -> 30 days old the debate gets put in archives. that leaves a fully populated thread of discussions with civility rules? Or people can ignore the debate and it's subordinate discussion entirely. Or people can open a Ryleh thread on the debate to express their frustration less civilly?
No need to censor the rest of the forums more, and as long as people don't mind seeing the section on the newest, than I don't see any structural changes that need to be done.

Don't worry. We don't want you to hang out in Ryleh. We're going to try very hard to do this right, whatever it is. Remember, no one has decided a single, solitary thing. It could still be a section, but I hope that doesn't mean people will treat the rest of the forum like a dung heap. We'll see. For now, business as usual. Hopefully, with a few vocal civil cheerleaders practicing what they preach.

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There is no Civil Discussion subforum.

I know. I was just highlighting my point.

That's been scrapped because of the "hysteria," or rather because there was no majority feeling in either direction.

Am I not welcome to my opinion on the matter?

You may find that we have to make the forum more "civil" on the whole to prevent this kind of bullshit from happening, and that now, you will only be able to call someone an asshole in R'lyeh.

Fair enough.

I don't see where I said you couldn't have an opinion on the matter. I said it was scrapped. Why would I say you couldn't have an opinion? Why would you think I said that?

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Opposition to how something went down =/= hysteria. It's funny how insulting the proponents of the civility section are being while talking about how much they can't stand that anyone opposed it. Fuck's sake. How do any of you not notice the hypocrisy and realize how much it cripples your argument? I've seen people called petty, hysterical, dramatic, etc. all by people who want this place to be more civil.

We're working on something, so stop being assholes for five seconds so we can feel like our time is worth it.

I don't think I've been rude to you, do you?

I was critical of what you said to Vulcan but I thought I was pretty civil about it.

I actually like you.  If you were my troubled little sister I'd still hug you on holidays at least.  You'd be an upgrade on the one I actually have.  

But I still get to have an opinion and I think you were too harsh with him.

No, you haven't. I'm talking about a handful of people who have still managed to be insulting while debating this. It's weird.

I'm not troubled, you donkey! I also like you too. I also also think he frigging started it. If he didn't want me to say anything back, he shouldn't have said anything to begin with. He'll get over it. I already am.

[KevinM1]

You may find that we have to make the forum more "civil" on the whole to prevent this kind of bullshit from happening, and that now, you will only be able to call someone an asshole in R'lyeh.

Good. This is exactly what I want. The vast majority of the other forums I frequent do it this way - one set of rules for the bulk of the forum to abide by, with a designated area for people to go nuts in - and it works really well. Is R'lyeh visible to non-members, or members who haven't passed the 30/30 threshold? If so, it might be good to cloak it to people who haven't been here very long.

[GrandizerII]

I guess I'll go hang out in Ryleh. I prefer my conversations uncensored and my debates more civil. I know brainiac number 1 has plans...he always does. what about a more formalized set of rules for the debate section something as simple as a discussion section under debate.
Here's what I see.
Topic is debated -> discussion thread open for debate discussion civilly (sp?) ->people discuss topic civilly -> 30 days old the debate gets put in archives. that leaves a fully populated thread of discussions with civility rules? Or people can ignore the debate and it's subordinate discussion entirely. Or people can open a Ryleh thread on the debate to express their frustration less civilly?
No need to censor the rest of the forums more, and as long as people don't mind seeing the section on the newest, than I don't see any structural changes that need to be done.

Or maybe promote civil discussions (in virtually any section) through mere social contract that most of us at least can easily agree with once we set our mind to it? Basically, just create a thread you want to have a discussion about and make it known you've like to have a civil discussion about as per the guidelines provided by an eventual written set of civility expectations, some of which may include collectively ignoring those who refuse to adhere to these guidelines. And by civil, I mean no insults and such. Not that there can't be swearing or that we have to behave stifled as if we're at a job interview. This is just one suggestion.

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You may find that we have to make the forum more "civil" on the whole to prevent this kind of bullshit from happening, and that now, you will only be able to call someone an asshole in R'lyeh.

Good.  This is exactly what I want.  The vast majority of the other forums I frequent do it this way - one set of rules for the bulk of the forum to abide by, with a designated area for people to go nuts in - and it works really well.  Is R'lyeh visible to non-members, or members who haven't passed the 30/30 threshold?  If so, it might be good to cloak it to people who haven't been here very long.

I'm fine with no insults. But keep in mind we have members like Minimalist who might object, so let's hear them out at least. MO.

[LadyForCamus]

I guess I'll go hang out in Ryleh. I prefer my conversations uncensored and my debates more civil. I know brainiac number 1 has plans...he always does. what about a more formalized set of rules for the debate section something as simple as a discussion section under debate.
Here's what I see.
Topic is debated -> discussion thread open for debate discussion civilly (sp?) ->people discuss topic civilly -> 30 days old the debate gets put in archives. that leaves a fully populated thread of discussions with civility rules? Or people can ignore the debate and it's subordinate discussion entirely. Or people can open a Ryleh thread on the debate to express their frustration less civilly?
No need to censor the rest of the forums more, and as long as people don't mind seeing the section on the newest, than I don't see any structural changes that need to be done.

Don't worry. We don't want you to hang out in Ryleh. We're going to try very hard to do this right, whatever it is. Remember, no one has decided a single, solitary thing. It could still be a section, but I hope that doesn't mean people will treat the rest of the forum like a dung heap. We'll see. For now, business as usual. Hopefully, with a few vocal civil cheerleaders practicing what they preach.

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I know. I was just highlighting my point.


Am I not welcome to my opinion on the matter?


Fair enough.

I don't see where I said you couldn't have an opinion on the matter. I said it was scrapped. Why would I say you couldn't have an opinion?

You didn’t say that.  And you know what?  I apologize for using the word “hysteria”.  It was more inflammatory than an accurate characterization of people’s opinions.  I’m just really frustrated at the black lash this got.  I just don’t understand why.  Sorry if I came off as bitchy.  I’m just feeling angry about it.

[Catholic_Lady]

It'd be great if the whole forum had stricter rules enforcing civility and geared towards productive discussion. I just didn't suggest that because I thought it would be too much for most people. I assumed just having 1 section like that was more of a compromise for both sides. But hey, if the whole forum is going to be more geared towards civil discussion now, that's awesome.

[GrandizerII]

It'd be great if the whole forum had stricter rules enforcing civility and geared towards productive discussion. I just didn't suggest that because I thought it would be too much for most people. I assumed just having 1 section like that was more of a compromise for both sides. But hey, if the whole forum is going to be more geared towards civil discussion now, that's awesome.

It is a bit too much, and I suspect it won't roll well with many members, including veteran ones. I want these people to have a say at least as well. I'd rather the rules not be restricted but encourage people to be more civil instead through the right conditions and cooperation as a whole.

[Shell B]

Don't worry. We don't want you to hang out in Ryleh. We're going to try very hard to do this right, whatever it is. Remember, no one has decided a single, solitary thing. It could still be a section, but I hope that doesn't mean people will treat the rest of the forum like a dung heap. We'll see. For now, business as usual. Hopefully, with a few vocal civil cheerleaders practicing what they preach.

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I don't see where I said you couldn't have an opinion on the matter. I said it was scrapped. Why would I say you couldn't have an opinion?

You didn’t say that.  And you know what?  I apologize for using the word “hysteria”.  It was more inflammatory than an accurate characterization of people’s opinions.  I’m just really frustrated at the black lash this got.  I just don’t understand why.  Sorry if I came off as bitchy.  I’m just feeling angry about it.

I'm sorry if I came off as bitchy too. It's my default. No excuse. It's just really how people talk to each other in my life, and we're all cool with it, so I have no filter.