One And The Same

[DramaQueen]

You should lie down, I'm tired

[Cyberman]

Hence my polite response. Please heed it.

Sorry for talking over you, DQ.

[Ben Davis]

We are, fundamentally, one and the same.

Quite demonstrably false. Animals of the same species are all similar and all life can be shown to originate from lineages of common ancestors but that doesn't make us fundamentally anything other than evolved.

Ohhh... you were being metaphorical...

The spirit world is not, obviously, a logical concept. Everyone can agree upon this. It is, for the most part, beyond objective reason. Hence a degree of, seemingly irrational, faith is required.

That's because it's never been shown to exist. Only things that exist are subject to anything other than 'faith'.

Some people cannot see beyond this faith. In equal measure, some people cannot see beyond logic and reason.

'...see beyond...'? Well, faith's certainly a powerful differentiator however the overwhelming majority of people understand that it's not the only descriptor. This is the type of polarisation that creates Faith vs Reason arguments.

I am not here to argue red vs blue.

After what you posted in the previous sentence?! You most certainly are.

People with a negative experience of red prefer blue and vice versa. They can then go on to experience burgundy vs crimson, and aqua vs teal.

Ahh, an abstract way of moving to the 'atheists are angry with god' argument, eh? Not too subtle.

But understand we are purple. Understand we are both red and blue and every other color. Understand the full complexity of the human experience spectrum. And understand there exists spectra beyond human perception.

Yep, most people already know this. What's your point?

So, why is the spirit world so hard to see for some people?

Ahh, I knew you'd get round to it eventually.

It's because it doesn't exist.

Perhaps it isn't really in this world - this green and blue spinning electron does not contain a spirit world. Perhaps it really isn't here and therefore cannot be perceived to exist.

Sorry, did I stutter?

So, why is this objective reason so hard to understand for other people? Perhaps they are not paying attention to the same world. Perhaps it is another seemingly delusional world.

Many reasons. Mainly education (or a lack of) & indoctrination. This stuff has been well studied.

Yet, should this apparent delusion and hypocrisy really be perceived as a negative and untrue trait? After all, it is only the peak of human potential to feel and grasp hold of two contradicting emotions at the same time.

Hmmm... let me think... should delusion & hypocrisy be perceived as untrue and/or negative... Ambivalence isn't an appropriate response when faced with either. Come on, Nameless, we're not 7 years old.

In certain superficial moments, one acts out of anger, depression, happiness, confusion, logic, reason, spirit, love, humor, etcetera. It is only human to experience or not experience these possibilities, and then to choose one, or none, or multiple complexities at any given moment.

Non-sequitur. Human emotional response has nothing to do with the truth value of knowledge.

The different choices between someone with nutrition, sleep, exercise and relaxation, and someone without these experiences... well, that is all very understandable. It is night and day. Red and blue. Yet no less true.

No. Absolutely not! Knowledge is not some sort of hotch-potch amalgamation of people's opinions. There's data and the reasonable interpretation of those data.

Maybe one cannot see past their certain color in this present moment. Maybe one can privately but not publicly. Maybe one can invest both head and heart into only a single color, or even only a single shade, because that image has been an infinitely better, or even only experience, and therefore, it seems the ultimate truth is always and forever more, said image.

Just because you want to sit on the fence doesn't mean that everyone else wants to or even that fence-sitting is the right thing to do.

But what image does the myopic actor see? What image does the native hunter scanning the horizon see? Is it the same blue? Is it the same red? Is it the same experience? Is it even on the same spectrum? Perhaps the grass can always be greener.

So can the linear thought expand laterally at this point and vice versa? Perhaps not in this moment, perhaps always in every moment. Regardless, it eventually becomes irrelevant... considering the vast spectrum of human experience and what is potentially beyond the spectrum

Word salad. So shallow that it makes a joke out of your attempt at serious cognition.

We can know certain things beyond knowing.

Knowing without knowing? I prefer the art of fighting without fighting. At least that had demonstrable benefits.

We are, fundamentally, one and the same.

Bovine faeces.

[Nameless]

I respect your view, Ben, indeed I hold it too. Thanks for the reply.

[LastPoet]

Simply a polite request, not a dictation. Don't worry, I know where I stand now.

It is called a crosshairs.

[Cyberman]

He was right, you know. He was one and the same.

[JesusHChrist]

At least we got to read and contribute a lot of beautiful prose/poetry/swill to this thread.

I am content. ooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Cyberman]

And in three pages, too. That's economy.

[Aoi Magi]

So after three pages of weed smoking which color is finalized?

[Cyberman]

Green won.