Killing of homosexuals/apostates/adulterous in Quran/Bible

[Mystic]

I have read neither the Quran or the Hadith so I can't say for sure, but from what I hear it seems like Muslims are eager to say "well the Quran doesn't say x" but then fail to mention that the Hadith probably does, or if not the Hadith then certainly general Islamic jurisprudence.

From the point of view of Quran,  corruption in religions always took place by fabricators until the reminder was forgotten (totally changed).   Therefore it makes not only sense to be cautious of hadiths, but even Quran should not be blindly followed per Quran. Although I do believe Quran is without fault, that is not to say, it should blindly followed.  It also cannot be proven to be without defect or fabrication by quoting a verse that it is without fabrication. That would be circular logic. Rather the wisdom of protecting the last revelation is itself key and how it's been protected needs to be investigated.

Dark unseen forces are united to bring down God's word while in reality, in the hidden book by which only the purified touch, it is the highest.

[Iroscato]

I have read neither the Quran or the Hadith so I can't say for sure, but from what I hear it seems like Muslims are eager to say "well the Quran doesn't say x" but then fail to mention that the Hadith probably does, or if not the Hadith then certainly general Islamic jurisprudence.

From the point of view of Quran,  corruption in religions always took place by fabricators until the reminder was forgotten (totally changed).   Therefore it makes not only sense to be cautious of hadiths, but even Quran should not be blindly followed per Quran. Although I do believe Quran is without fault, that is not to say, it should blindly followed.  It also cannot be proven to be without defect or fabrication by quoting a verse that it is without fabrication. That would be circular logic. Rather the wisdom of protecting the last revelation is itself key and how it's been protected needs to be investigated.

Dark unseen forces are united to bring down God's word while in reality, in the hidden book by which only the purified touch, it is the highest.

It must be terrifying to see phantoms and demons round every corner you look. Seriously, how do you function?

[Minimalist]

[Mystic]

It must be terrifying to see phantoms and demons round every corner you look. Seriously, how do you function?

I constantly use the weapon of "prayer" as well as attacking with the divine sword.  It's make me more of resolve, and aware of the constant dark forces on my heart trying to misguide me. Consequently, this vigilance has made me resolute on not only in helping myself against Satan and his forces, but helping others as well.  Every day I get resolute in not being deceived by these forces and consequently, there is a fear in my heart from falling off the path of God and into the darkness as I did in the past, that translates into resolute action.

God spoke with compassion when he says "Indeed Satan is a enemy to you, so take him as an enemy, he only calls his party to be the companions of the burning".

[Iroscato]

It must be terrifying to see phantoms and demons round every corner you look. Seriously, how do you function?

I constantly use the weapon of "prayer" as well as attacking with the divine sword.  It's make me more of resolve, and aware of the constant dark forces on my heart trying to misguide me. Consequently, this vigilance has made me resolute on not only in helping myself against Satan and his forces, but helping others as well.  Every day I get resolute in not being deceived by these forces and consequently, there is a fear in my heart from falling off the path of God and into the darkness as I did in the past, that translates into resolute action.

God spoke with compassion when he says "Indeed Satan is a enemy to you, so take him as an enemy, he only calls his party to be the companions of the burning".

Man, I don't even have to do anything, you're a goddamn laugh generating machine. All I do is feed in a question and get my daily chuckles

Ok, another one for ya. What would you prescribe for whenever my Divine Sword gets a bit itchy? Do you think it's a sign of infection, or do I just need to buy some Mana potions?

[Mystic]

You should find the divine sword within you and look harder first. A lot of people are bothered by the divine sword because it calls to a higher path, while they want to follow what they are comfortable  with and are not willing to change their ways to higher ways, so it can be itchy in that sense. The solution to all this is to love the chosen guides meant for you to follow, love their path, their guidance, their leadership, and their assistance in the divine journey. Call upon God and he will surely aide you with unseen forces and obedient spirits, that should help your resolve and empower your sword and be your mana potions. And there is no power and will save by God.

[Iroscato]

It was a penis joke, MK. I was making a dick joke.
Divine sword = willy, yeah? Ha-ha-ha.
Ah....

See that's why I could never, EVER be a Muslim. You can't have fun, you can't eat bacon, and you can't make dick jokes. I mean...those are like three of my founding principles. I cannot imagine the diseased sort of mind it takes to shy away from them.

[Regina]

I constantly use the weapon of "prayer" as well as attacking with the divine sword.  It's make me more of resolve, and aware of the constant dark forces on my heart trying to misguide me. Consequently, this vigilance has made me resolute on not only in helping myself against Satan and his forces, but helping others as well.  Every day I get resolute in not being deceived by these forces and consequently, there is a fear in my heart from falling off the path of God and into the darkness as I did in the past, that translates into resolute action.

God spoke with compassion when he says "Indeed Satan is a enemy to you, so take him as an enemy, he only calls his party to be the companions of the burning".

Man, I don't even have to do anything, you're a goddamn laugh generating machine. All I do is feed in a question and get my daily chuckles

It's just a word salad of complicated lexicon in order to dance around giving a straight answer.

Probably doesn't get what you meant by "divine sword" because he doesn't get to use his as often as he could. Tragic.

[Dasboot]

One of the things Muslims believe is that Quran came to correct the Bible were it was wrong. In the Bible it was taught that God once commanded to kill for

1) Adultery (stoning)
2) Apostasy
3) Men having sex with each other

Now the Quran states Bani-Israel were in fact only allowed to kill for two reasons:


مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَٰلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَنْ قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا ۚ وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِنْهُمْ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ {32}
[Shakir 5:32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.

1) would be for murder (the person killed another person)
2) the other would be causing mischief in land like war

Now

Adultery would be neither of these
Homosexuals having sex would be neither of these
And an apostate leaving his religion would neither of these

Yet Muslims believe these were laws of Musa that were also laws of Mohammad.

You have to understand the Islamic laws only apply to Muslims and not non believers. 

Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

[drfuzzy]

One of the things Muslims believe is that Quran came to correct the Bible were it was wrong. In the Bible it was taught that God once commanded to kill for

1) Adultery (stoning)
2) Apostasy
3) Men having sex with each other

Now the Quran states Bani-Israel were in fact only allowed to kill for two reasons:


مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَٰلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَنْ قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا ۚ وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِنْهُمْ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ {32}
[Shakir 5:32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.

1) would be for murder (the person killed another person)
2) the other would be causing mischief in land like war

Now

Adultery would be neither of these
Homosexuals having sex would be neither of these
And an apostate leaving his religion would neither of these

Yet Muslims believe these were laws of Musa that were also laws of Mohammad.

You have to understand the Islamic laws only apply to Muslims and not non believers. 

Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

Wasn't this thread a necro?