Atheism is unreasonable

[dimaniac]

entire civilizations could have risen and fallen to dust by the time we gained the ability to even realize the planet is there.

All of them?

[ManMachine]

... if you are an atheist, you may find my beliefs laughable, sickening, stupid, etc....which is fine, Christianity isn't for everyone...

Actually, I have a good grasp of the theory that explains why people like you need a god and a Jesus, so I perfectly understand why you need them and I don't.

If and when you come to understand this, you won't need them either.

But that's the catch, isn't it, the moment you begin to understand why you don't need them your religion tells you that it must be some evil force at work. But evil is dominating people who are too susceptible or lacking in self confidence to believe in their own opinion and convincing them your opinion is better. Too many religious experiences begin with... 'I lowered my defences and opened my heart', or variation therein. It's easy to manipulate the psychology of vulnerable people.

I find it interesting to note that that is a method often used by serial killers too.

MM

[abaris]

Sentient life on other planets could have started billions of years ago.

And pigs might ....

The big bang happened at one particular moment in time. It took billions of years for systems and planets to form. Why should there be any fast track evolution?

And that aside, with our technical abilities, the most we can get when looking at distant systems is light. And judging by the character of light or it's absence, scientists get their clues with what kind of planet we might deal. It's not as if we could aim a telescope at a given point in space and observe an alien wave back at us, like the man in the moon.

For fucks sake, do some reading on the topic. Right now you're posting an ignorance fest.

[Mister Agenda]

I seriously doubt you understand virtual particles.

Where did quantum vacuum come from?

It necessarily exists.

[dimaniac]

The big bang happened at one particular moment in time. It took billions of years for systems and planets to form.

http://www.space.com/11386-galaxies-form...scope.html

The first galaxies may have formed much earlier than thought, a new study suggests — just 200 million years or so after the universe's birth.

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Where did quantum vacuum come from?

It necessarily exists.

When were first virtual particles created and why were they first?

[Esquilax]

entire civilizations could have risen and fallen to dust by the time we gained the ability to even realize the planet is there.

All of them?

Must you oversimplify every last thing anyone says to you?

[Mister Agenda]

Nowhere.

From what did your god create the universe?

1 Theists are right. Everything can't come from nothing
2 Atheists are right. God can't come from nothing.
Since there are no other options that means that Universe can't exist. But it exists. Therefore logic is delusion.

Or there was never absolutely nothing in the first place, there was always something. Logic didn't fail you, you failed it.

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Answer the question, from what did your god create the universe?

God is all powerful infinite being, he didn't need anything to create the universe

Apparently he's so powerful he didn't even need to exist first.

The universe is everything that exists. If all that exists is God or a quantum vacuum, there's something, and that something IS the universe at that time.

[abaris]

The big bang happened at one particular moment in time. It took billions of years for systems and planets to form.

http://www.space.com/11386-galaxies-form...scope.html

The first galaxies may have formed much earlier than thought, a new study suggests — just 200 million years or so after the universe's birth.

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It necessarily exists.

When were first virtual particles created and why they were first?

So what?

We're still not being able to make detailed observation. We're observing with the speed of light and there are tiny dots in a distant past, since we only have the speed of light at out disposal - and often not even that much of detail. If you do just some research, you would find, that astronomists often find distant planets by spotting a dot of darkness moving before what they consider to be some star.

What do you expect? Mr Spock beating the laws of physics and come to visit us at warp speed?

[Bad Wolf]

All of them?

When you consider how long human beings have been around and how long we have been recording history, in relation to the universe, we haven't even been a heartbeat for the universe. It's not surprising that we haven't encountered alien life in the inconcievably brief amount of time we have been around.

[Jackalope]

Taking a simplistic view on the detectability of highly advanced civilizations is a bit naive.

Judging by the only example we have (the Earth), life depends upon a variety and quantity of elements that require much time to accumulate through the stellar birth/death cycle, technologically advanced life even more so. That is to say, you aren't likely to find ten billion year old technologically advanced civilizations - stars that old don't tend to have enough heavy elements in their systems.

There's also a problem with windows of detectability - you're only going to be able to detect civilizations who are temporally and spatially situated such that they are even possible for us to detect. They would need to be extant and detectable in the right place, and at the right time. For example, a civilization that is 1B light years away isn't going to be detectable if it went extinct 900M years ago. Nor would a civilization that achieved a threshold of detectability 900M years ago be detectable if it's 1B light years distant.