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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 21, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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(November 21, 2014 at 2:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Which isn't a problem for us HM, neither of us has an issue with speciation so we're both evolutionists. You believe that we were created by some god -and then- evolved. I know that we weren't....-and then- evolved.
problem with theism were created by god but evolution says we came from apes. so trying to fit a square into a round hole god is a ape and so is adam and eve. but..  were just really highly developed apes 
So we don't need a god because nature is working as intended.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 21, 2014 at 3:17 pm
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Actually states that we -are- apes, not that we "came from them".
(but we go zero in on that from another system and conclude that we are not - depends on what type of classification you prefer)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 21, 2014 at 3:26 pm
(November 21, 2014 at 2:40 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Moral character has absolutely nothing to do with the arguments he use against evolution, which I happen to find compelling.
A con man's mark often finds the con man's grift to be compelling.
That's why marks get conned.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 21, 2014 at 3:41 pm
(November 20, 2014 at 9:32 pm)dyresand Wrote: Wrong. All dogs belong to one species, as has already been pointed out to you.
I believe that all dogs are one "kind" of animal, as has already been pointed out to you
(November 20, 2014 at 9:32 pm)dyresand Wrote: I can also prove that the Eiffel Tower didn't exist before 1889. That doesn't mean that Joe Blow from Pascagoula, MS built it in six days using tinkertoys.
See how that worl\Ks?
No, I don't.
(November 20, 2014 at 9:32 pm)dyresand Wrote: There is no such thing as "philosophical evidence", firstly. Secondly, any conclusion about the source of the origin of the Universe necessarily oversteps the evidence currently at hand, because we are unable to examine the point of expansion.
There is a such thing as "philosophical arguments", and we can prove that the universe hasn't been expanding forever...or do you deny that so I can prove you wrong on that as well??
(November 20, 2014 at 9:32 pm)dyresand Wrote: No, I mustn't believe in anything. However, I must follow the evidence. (That's a heuristic you'd do well to apply to yourself). The evidence for your deity is absent.
The evidence for an eternal universe, abiogenesis, and macroevolution is also absent.
(November 20, 2014 at 9:32 pm)dyresand Wrote: Feel free to correct me, in detail, either in this thread or another that you may start, called "The Evidence for the Christian God". I challenge you to do the latter ... if you dare.
I challenge you to a debate regarding "The Evidence for the Christian God". Fight or flight time.
(November 20, 2014 at 9:32 pm)dyresand Wrote: As I've already pointed out, your dire need for education is obvious. You really don't need to buttress my point with these retarded claims of yours ... but hey, I'm nothing if not grateful. Keep talkin', kid.
Education isn't what is needed, evidence is what is needed.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 21, 2014 at 3:42 pm
(November 21, 2014 at 2:33 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: So if I showed you a picture of Jesus Christ, I guess that means Christianity is true, huh?
If you had his skeleton, and could prove it was his, that would prove he really existed. We have that little critter's skeleton.
Now, that skeleton is on a continuum between earlier dinosaurs and later birds, and evolution predicts that such a creature would have existed, and that it would have lived in a certain timeframe, which is what we found.
Even if you had a photograph of Jesus, it wouldn't prove Christianity, because a photograph of a religion's founder doesn't prove he's who he is supposed to have said he was. It's not the right knid of evidence to support the claim. Mircoraptor, on the other hand, is an example of exactly the kind of evidence you would want to support the claim that birds evolved from dinosaurs: an animal with characteristics intermediate between both.
If evolution is wrong, why does it work for predicting where to look for fossils of animals we haven't discovered yet, including what kind of traits it will have?
The fundamental of heuristic of science is to use what actually works.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 21, 2014 at 3:46 pm
(November 21, 2014 at 3:41 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: I challenge you to a debate regarding "The Evidence for the Christian God". Fight or flight time.
Mind I remind you how your epic breaking of the format rules at the last formal debate. Followed by a whine fest when called out on it.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm
HM burden of proof is on you to prove god exists.
i hold a rational stance that we are a product meaning living animals
and types of plants etc are a product of nature and evolution and its working as intended. as for the universe i believe in the big bang meaning there is no god needed we came from nothing and i am perfectly happy with that.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm
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(November 21, 2014 at 2:49 pm)coldwx Wrote: I will ask you for a third fucking time
Watch your mouth (fingertips), son.
(November 21, 2014 at 2:49 pm)coldwx Wrote: based on this quote why do you believe the creation story as it is described in Genesis to explain the origin and diversity of life? If you have no reason to believe something beyond what someone has seen or experimented on then what is your evidence? You have dismissed ours so show us yours.
I've already answered this. The Bible states that in the midst of creating animals, God said "They will bring forth after their kind" (Gen 1:24)...and that is what I OBSERVE...I observe animals "bringing forth after their kind"...that is what I observe...that is what I can experiment with if I put two dogs, male/female, in one room...have them mate...and however many months later, they will produce a dog...that is an example of BRINGING FORTH AFTER THEIR KIND.
The evolutionist believe that reptile/dinosaurs evolved into birds...that is NOT an example of an animal bringing forth after their kind...a dinosaur and a bird are two different kinds of animals...I could care less what any biologist tells you.
So to make a long story short, the Bible confirms what humans have ever observed throughout their history. Anything beyond that is bio-babble.
(November 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm)dyresand Wrote: HM burden of proof is on you to prove god exists.
i hold a rational stance that we are a product meaning living animals
and types of plants etc are a product of nature and evolution and its working as intended. as for the universe i believe in the big bang meaning there is no god needed we came from nothing and i am perfectly happy with that.
Hey, whatever rattles your chain
(November 21, 2014 at 3:46 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Mind I remind you how your epic breaking of the format rules at the last formal debate. Followed by a whine fest when called out on it.
Hey, you or anyone else can either get intellectually spanked in a one on one debate, or you can get spanked in the thread when I create it based on that topic.
Pick your poison.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 21, 2014 at 3:57 pm
(November 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: (November 21, 2014 at 2:49 pm)coldwx Wrote: I will ask you for a third fucking time
Watch your mouth (fingertips), son.
(November 21, 2014 at 2:49 pm)coldwx Wrote: based on this quote why do you believe the creation story as it is described in Genesis to explain the origin and diversity of life? If you have no reason to believe something beyond what someone has seen or experimented on then what is your evidence? You have dismissed ours so show us yours.
I've already answered this. The Bible states that in the midst of creating animals, God said "They will bring forth after their kind" (Gen 1:24)...and that is what I OBSERVE...I observe animals "bringing forth after their kind"...that is what I observe...that is what I can experiment with if I put two dogs, male/female, in one room...have them mate...and however many months later, they will produce a dog...that is an example of BRINGING FORTH AFTER THEIR KIND.
The evolutionist believe that reptile/dinosaurs evolved into birds...that is NOT an example of an animal bringing forth after their kind...a dinosaur and a bird are two different kinds of animals...I could care less what any biologist tells you.
So to make a long story short, the Bible confirms what humans have ever observed throughout their history. Anything beyond that is bio-babble.
(November 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm)dyresand Wrote: HM burden of proof is on you to prove god exists.
i hold a rational stance that we are a product meaning living animals
and types of plants etc are a product of nature and evolution and its working as intended. as for the universe i believe in the big bang meaning there is no god needed we came from nothing and i am perfectly happy with that.
Hey, whatever rattles your chain
you just defeated yourself right there. you just acknowledged dinosaurs and tried to pass them off. you shouldn't have done that because you know what this means you are wrong of course we evolved and not all dinosaurs turned into birds. we have a damn good fossil record god didn't create anything case closed.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 21, 2014 at 3:58 pm
(November 21, 2014 at 3:42 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: If you had his skeleton, and could prove it was his, that would prove he really existed. We have that little critter's skeleton.
Now, that skeleton is on a continuum between earlier dinosaurs and later birds, and evolution predicts that such a creature would have existed, and that it would have lived in a certain timeframe, which is what we found.
Even if you had a photograph of Jesus, it wouldn't prove Christianity, because a photograph of a religion's founder doesn't prove he's who he is supposed to have said he was. It's not the right knid of evidence to support the claim. Mircoraptor, on the other hand, is an example of exactly the kind of evidence you would want to support the claim that birds evolved from dinosaurs: an animal with characteristics intermediate between both.
If evolution is wrong, why does it work for predicting where to look for fossils of animals we haven't discovered yet, including what kind of traits it will have?
The fundamental of heuristic of science is to use what actually works.
Such a poor, lost soul.
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