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What is so special about us?!?
#41
RE: What is so special about us?!?
*group hug* Smile

Isn't thinking that we're special just an extension of this instinct though?
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#42
RE: What is so special about us?!?
(February 11, 2010 at 4:32 pm)Watson Wrote: Purple Rabbit - How would I know what God feels? Why, just look around you! Life is His gift to us, and I don't think such an amazing gift would be given out of anger, hate, or any other less divine emotion but love. It is not an unhuman feeling, it is an above human feeling which we have access to.
So to look around you tells you what god feels? Are you serious? You can't even know how I feel from looking around. You are trying to mind read a fabulated being. According to your religion it is exactly the other way round, god is constantly mind reading you.

Ever seen gangrene, cancer? Seen a calf in a herd singled out by prey animals? What feeling does that give you? If that's love to you than the cognitive dissonance of religion is utterly complete and the assertion that it reflects the morality of a divine being only leads to the conclusion that the divine being has abject moral.

Furthermore your god can technically have no feelings and desires if he's a perfect being. That would mean he is changeable. Ask fr0d0 about it.

But if you think he can have feelings then answer me this: Can he feel guilt? I'm anxious to learn about this.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
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#43
RE: What is so special about us?!?
(February 11, 2010 at 5:23 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote:
(February 11, 2010 at 4:32 pm)Watson Wrote: Purple Rabbit - How would I know what God feels? Why, just look around you! Life is His gift to us, and I don't think such an amazing gift would be given out of anger, hate, or any other less divine emotion but love. It is not an unhuman feeling, it is an above human feeling which we have access to.
So to look around you tells you what god feels? Are you serious? You can't even know how I feel from looking around. You are trying to mind read a fabulated being. According to your religion it is exactly the other way round, god is constantly mind reading you.
haha, no, according to my beliefs God is a part of me. As He is a part of you. As He is a part of everything. So to look around and see the gift I've been given(y'know, life), I can't think of any other reason He would do that other than out of pure love. I can feel that love.

Quote:Ever seen gangrene, cancer? Seen a calf in a herd singled out by prey animals? What feeling does that give you? If that's love to you than the cognitive dissonance of religion is utterly complete and the assertion that it reflects the morality of a divine being only leads to the conclusion that the divine being has abject moral.
That is no tlove to me, that's just life. It's how things work, there's a natural order. Life works independent of how we feel about it. It's a matter of continuing to see the good in life, regardless of how much bad there is.

"One drop of love could evaporate vast oceans of hate." Or something of that nature, that's not the exact quote.

Quote:Furthermore your god can technically have no feelings and desires if he's a perfect being. That would mean he is changeable. Ask fr0d0 about it.
God is changeable.

Quote:But if you think he can have feelings then answer me this: Can he feel guilt? I'm anxious to learn about this.

He views life through the most divine and perfect feeling there is; love. He doesn't have time for smaller and lesser emotions such as guilt.
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#44
RE: What is so special about us?!?
(February 11, 2010 at 5:32 pm)Watson Wrote:
(February 11, 2010 at 5:23 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote: So to look around you tells you what god feels? Are you serious? You can't even know how I feel from looking around. You are trying to mind read a fabulated being. According to your religion it is exactly the other way round, god is constantly mind reading you.
haha, no, according to my beliefs God is a part of me. As He is a part of you. As He is a part of everything. So to look around and see the gift I've been given(y'know, life), I can't think of any other reason He would do that other than out of pure love. I can feel that love.
You certainly cannot honestly claim he is part of me because you cannot check my mind. If you belief that you are just fabulating without evidence and we can all just ignore it. It is only your belief. Your belief cannot be valid argument for others. That would be a fallacy (argument from personal belief) not an answer to my question how I would know what god feels. You sadly failed to answer the question.

Watson Wrote:
Purple Rabbit Wrote:Ever seen gangrene, cancer? Seen a calf in a herd singled out by prey animals? What feeling does that give you? If that's love to you than the cognitive dissonance of religion is utterly complete and the assertion that it reflects the morality of a divine being only leads to the conclusion that the divine being has abject moral.
That is no tlove to me, that's just life. It's how things work, there's a natural order. Life works independent of how we feel about it. It's a matter of continuing to see the good in life, regardless of how much bad there is.
OK, so you're just happily cherry picking your 'evidence' for the love of god while neglecting evidence of the contrary. Another fallacy. Please return to reason, illogic makes it very hard to communicate with you.

Watson Wrote:"One drop of love could evaporate vast oceans of hate." Or something of that nature, that's not the exact quote.
Well I am not arguing against the benefits of love. But you uniquely attributed it to your god and presented fallacies as argument.

Watson Wrote:
Quote:Furthermore your god can technically have no feelings and desires if he's a perfect being. That would mean he is changeable. Ask fr0d0 about it.
God is changeable.
Haha, stepped into the trap. If he's changeable he cannot be perfect and you're at best dealing with a demi-god. And at least get it clear amongst you christians what it is you want the world to know as an absolute truth. Which attributes does your god have?

Watson Wrote:
Quote:But if you think he can have feelings then answer me this: Can he feel guilt? I'm anxious to learn about this.
He views life through the most divine and perfect feeling there is; love. He doesn't have time for smaller and lesser emotions such as guilt.
If he cannot feel guilt, the story of Jesus was a sure lie. Than Jesus was not a man among men.
Also if he has never feel guilt than he cannot be complete.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
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#45
RE: What is so special about us?!?
(February 11, 2010 at 4:32 pm)Watson Wrote: Haha Perhaps in a technical sense, you would be right. But there is something which transcends that process and makes the experience more than merely a firing of nerves and synapses. Smile
How do you know that?
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#46
RE: What is so special about us?!?
I've felt it before. Smile

And, Purple Rabbit I'd really love to respond right now, but I've got things to do tonight. Please, don't take this as an evasion, I'll get back to you momentarily. Smile
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#47
RE: What is so special about us?!?
Thanks Evie, I don't think anyone has ever agreed with me so much on this site before. It's moving, I'm a little teary eyed. I am happy that I could communicate my point better that time. I appreciate your reply, and thank you for your time and energy.

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#48
RE: What is so special about us?!?
(February 11, 2010 at 6:10 pm)Watson Wrote: I've felt it before. Smile
You've felt something transcendental? Isn't that...impossible? How can you feel something outside of this world when your only way of interpreting feelings is in this world?
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#49
RE: What is so special about us?!?
Actually Watson I believe God is not changeable, merely our idea of God changes as we grow to know him better.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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#50
RE: What is so special about us?!?
(February 11, 2010 at 4:32 pm)Watson Wrote: - How would I know what God feels? Why, just look around you! Life is His gift to us, and I don't think such an amazing gift would be given out of anger, hate, or any other less divine emotion but love. It is not an unhuman feeling, it is an above human feeling which we have access to.

If God loves us so much why does he keep acting like a mean kid with an antfarm and a magnifying glass?
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