A Misconception about Islam

[downbeatplumb]

Many people especially in West believe that Islam strictly believes in killing of infidels who do not submit to Islam. Plus that terrorism is influenced by ' Islamic Jihad' and which encourages to eliminate infidels from the world.

Such concept is wrong in its entirety. Islam does NOT allow killing of non Muslims the way terrorists do. Let me explain.

The Quran turns our attention to the high value of human life, whether it is Muslim or Non-Muslim and makes it absolutely forbidden to take an innocent life unjustly. The gravity of such a crime is equated, in the Quran, with the killing of all humanity.

“On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.” ( 5:32 )

"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: For Allah loves those who are just" (60:8)

So terrorists and other such people are enemies not to others but to Muslims as well.

Well the terrorists seem to think it does.
That I'm afraid, is all that matters.

[Khansins]

About Apostacy :

[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given. you a clear authority

Explanation :

Verse 4:89 simply refers to hypocrites who were treacherous and were helping the enemy. And the punishment for treason, even according to the US laws, is death. Verse 4:90, often ignored by critics of Islam, clarifies the issue:

[4.90] Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.

These verse were revealed at a time when Muslims of Madinah were under constant attack from the Makkans. An example would be when the Makkans conducted the public crucifixion of the companion of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Khubaib bin Adi. These would be classified as 'terrorist activities' according to the modern usage of the term. So what does this verse say in this context? "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you", "unless they (first) fight you there" - the context of this verse applies to those who initiate the attack against Muslims. And even after they attack, the verse makes it clear: "But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." And it also makes clear the purpose for what Muslims fight: "fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God". It is the duty of Muslims to defend humanity from oppression and persecution and to establish justice.

Dr. Maher Hathout writes; These verses were applicable to a particular situation or if, hypothetically, the same situation was to be repeated… Historically, fighting back against the aggressors was prohibited during the thirteen years of the Meccan period. After the migration to Medina and the establishment of the Islamic state, Muslims were concerned with how to defend themselves against aggression from their enemies. The aforementioned verses were revealed to enable them to protect the newly formed state by fighting in self-defence against those who fought them. However, the Qur’an clearly prohibits aggression. The verses explain that fighting is only for self-defence. Thus, a Muslim cannot commit aggression and kill innocent men, women, children, the sick, the elderly, monks, priests, or those who do not wish to fight.

About Women

You will find misconceptions about Women cleared here > http://submission.org/Misconceptions_about_Women.html

About Marytrdom and Terrorism

Misconception: Martyrs will receive 72 virgins in paradise

This teaching is nowhere to be found in The Quran. It is a tradition associated with the reported sayings of prophet Muhammad, as recorded by others.

Some cite 44:54, 52:20, 55:72, 56:22 as evidence for virgins in paradise for men only, however the Arabic word "huri" in these verses can be the plural of both "awhar" (masculine) and "hawra" (feminine), but even if it is taken as female, the word itself would mean "companions pure/fair, most beautiful of eye".
There is also 37:48 (companions of modest gaze) and 78:33 (splendid companions, well-matched).

Sanctity of human life

The Glorious Qur’an says:
“…take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.” [Al-Qur’an 6:151]

Islam considers all life forms as sacred. However, the sanctity of human life is accorded a special place. The first and the foremost basic right of a human being is the right to live. The Glorious Qur’an says:
“…if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” [Al-Qur’an 5:32]

Such is the value of a single human life, that the Qur’an equates the taking of even one human life unjustly, with killing all of humanity. Thus, the Qur’an prohibits homicide in clear terms. The taking of a criminal’s life by the state in order to administer justice is required to uphold the rule of law, and the peace and security of the society. Only a proper and competent court can decide whether an individual has forfeited his right to life by disregarding the right to life and peace of other human beings.

JIHAD While Islam in general is misunderstood in the western world, perhaps no other Islamic term evokes such strong reactions as the word ‘jihad’. The term ‘jihad’ has been much abused, to conjure up bizarre images of violent Muslims, forcing people to submit at the point of the sword. This myth was perpetuated throughout the centuries of mistrust during and after the Crusades. Unfortunately, it survives to this day.

The word Jihad comes from the root word jahada, which means to struggle. So jihad is literally an act of struggling, and this struggle can have various forms. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) referred to the struggle against the insidious suggestions of one’s own soul as a form of jihad. Thus the inner struggle of being a person of virtue and submission to God in all aspects of life, is part of the essence of Islam.

Jihad also refers to struggle against injustice. Islam, like many other religions, allows for armed self-defense, or retribution against tyranny, exploitation, and oppression. The Glorious Qur’an says:
“And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? - Men, women, and children, whose cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!” [Al-Qur’an 4:75]

Thus Islam enjoins upon its believers to strive utmost, in purifying themselves, as well as in establishing peace and justice in the society. A Muslim can never be at rest while there is injustice and oppression around her. Martin Luther King Jr., quite aptly said:
“We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people.”

Islam enjoins upon all Muslims to work actively to maintain the balance in which God created everything. However, regardless of how legitimate the cause may be, the Glorious Qur’an categorically denounces the killing of innocent people. Terrorizing the civilian population, whether by small groups or by states, can never be termed as jihad and can never be reconciled with the teachings of Islam.

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( An article by Karen Armstrong on Sept,2001 further clarifies this misconception)

Islam is not addicted to war, and jihad is not one of its "pillars," or essential practices. The primary meaning of the word jihad is not "holy war" but "struggle." It refers to the difficult effort that is needed to put God's will into practice at every level--personal and social as well as political. A very important and much quoted tradition has Muhammad telling his companions as they go home after a battle, "We are returning from the lesser jihad [the battle] to the greater jihad," the far more urgent and momentous task of extirpating wrongdoing from one's own society and one's own heart.

Islam did not impose itself by the sword. In a statement in which the Arabic is extremely emphatic, the Koran insists, "There must be no coercion in matters of faith!" (2: 256). Constantly Muslims are enjoined to respect Jews and Christians, the "People of the Book," who worship the same God (29: 46). In words quoted by Muhammad in one of his last public sermons, God tells all human beings, "O people! We have formed you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another" (49: 13)--not to conquer, convert, subjugate, revile or slaughter but to reach out toward others with intelligence and understanding.

So why the suicide bombing, the hijacking and the massacre of innocent civilians? Far from being endorsed by the Koran, this killing violates some of its most sacred precepts. But during the 20th century, the militant form of piety often known as fundamentalism erupted in every major religion as a rebellion against modernity. Every fundamentalist movement I have studied in Judaism, Christianity and Islam is convinced that liberal, secular society is determined to wipe out religion. Fighting, as they imagine, a battle for survival, fundamentalists often feel justified in ignoring the more compassionate principles of their faith. But in amplifying the more aggressive passages that exist in all our scriptures, they distort the tradition.

It would be as grave a mistake to see Osama bin Laden as an authentic representative of Islam as to consider James Kopp, the alleged killer of an abortion provider in Buffalo, N.Y., a typical Christian or Baruch Goldstein, who shot 29 worshipers in the Hebron mosque in 1994 and died in the attack, a true martyr of Israel. The vast majority of Muslims, who are horrified by the atrocity of Sept. 11, must reclaim their faith from those who have so violently hijacked it.

[Cyberman]

The question is, why is there not more resistance? We keep hearing that they are a minority. Well, minorities can be stopped.

Interesting how quiet Allah's being on the issue as well, isn't it? Hasn't once even tried to stop the zealots. I wonder why?

[Brian37]

Many people especially in West believe that Islam strictly believes in killing of infidels who do not submit to Islam. Plus that terrorism is influenced by ' Islamic Jihad' and which encourages to eliminate infidels from the world.

Such concept is wrong in its entirety. Islam does NOT allow killing of non Muslims the way terrorists do. Let me explain.

The Quran turns our attention to the high value of human life, whether it is Muslim or Non-Muslim and makes it absolutely forbidden to take an innocent life unjustly. The gravity of such a crime is equated, in the Quran, with the killing of all humanity.

“On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.” ( 5:32 )

"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: For Allah loves those who are just" (60:8)

So terrorists and other such people are enemies not to others but to Muslims as well.

Um no, there are no "misconceptions". The collective middle east overall is stuck in dark age thinking, just like Christianity was in the past. It is not a matter of blaming all Muslims, but the few that hold the most power control the collective climate. The middle east has not had it's Jefferson or Paine. It is not westernized to the extent of protecting religious and political pluralism anywhere near the same extent as the west.

Now I am going to tell you the same thing I say to liberal and moderate Christians even here in the states. You can argue "misinterpretation" and "Most dont", all you want, but you still use the same book others use to justify harm to others.

Christians who value pluralism are well intended but still use the same bible that others use to condemn gays and use the same bible to justify controlling the bodies of women. Muslims are no different. You can value the likes of Malala or our Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison, but that still does not change that the Koran is the same source others use to justify groups like Isis or the infighting between Sunnis and Shiites.

Jews are no different. They have their liberals and they also have their conservatives. You can find those who justify pluralism and others who justify old school male dominate religious nationalism.

The truth is that humans are not aware of their own evolution. They are unaware that their morality is not in any holy book, but in our species itself.

Of course you can find good people of all religions worldwide. But that is the point right there. If one can accept that then that person must consider that it is not the actual book, or the club doing it, but if you are doing good, then it is YOU and your evolutionary compassion.

[Strongbad]

Not all Muslims are terrorists.


But almost all terrorists are Muslims.

Bold statements should be supported by some data. This article quotes the Europol statistics:

http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2011/11...y-muslims/

And this one FBI data.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/m...-2012.html

Yeah, I must be an "Islamophobe". I guess I should have qualified such a bold statement. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most of the murders, worldwide, committed by terrorists, are perpetrated by Muslim terrorists.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Terrorism

“Sunni extremists accounted for the greatest number of terrorist attacks and fatalities for the third consecutive year,” the report says. “More than 5,700 incidents were attributed to Sunni extremists, accounting for nearly 56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of all fatalities.”

[Brian37]

Bold statements should be supported by some data. This article quotes the Europol statistics:

http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2011/11...y-muslims/

And this one FBI data.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/m...-2012.html

Yeah, I must be an "Islamophobe". I guess I should have qualified such a bold statement. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most of the murders, worldwide, committed by terrorists, are perpetrated by Muslim terrorists.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Terrorism

“Sunni extremists accounted for the greatest number of terrorist attacks and fatalities for the third consecutive year,” the report says. “More than 5,700 incidents were attributed to Sunni extremists, accounting for nearly 56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of all fatalities.”

I warn people not to play this game, it is easy to fall for and get trapped in.

The believer, outside of any issue of labels, will trap you by making it about labels. The real issue is pointing out to ANYONE of any label, that criticism is not a matter of human rights, but a pragmatic necessity to prevent bad claims that lead to harm to others.

For the same reason you attack Christianity, it is right to allow for human rights because that is what civil society should do, but in the process we still have a human duty to point out to others when their claims leads to violence towards others or oppressive laws that devalue human dignity.

Lets not lose sight of our species history in this. We are tribal by evolution and for whatever good we may attach to a group or book, those same labels are also used to justify harm to others.

You can only say currently about Islam is that it is CURRENTLY at this point still stuck in the past as a climate. That part I agree with and even Muslims would do better by not allowing their own cover to justify cruelty to others.

But outside that we have not ever been a separate species. Ann Frank and Malala and Martin Luther King Jr, are not proof of any one god existing in reality, but proof of our species ability to be compassionate. Islam can grow to that point, but as much as it takes others outside to point that out, it is also just as important for those within it to be introspective.

[The Grand Nudger]

Such concept is wrong in its entirety. Islam does NOT allow killing of non Muslims the way terrorists do. Let me explain.

No need, I'm uninterested in the vagueries of how a muslim is to properly kill non muslims. Clearly you have a beef with the way that terrorists do it, I don;t find that it would matter very much to me how it;s accomplished, or whether or not it follows what must be very strict rules regarding the correct way to dispose of ideological nuisances. You could elaborate upon this until you're blue in the face. But why? Islam is not in a position to "allow" anything. It's a puppet, people like you pull the strings. You don't like the other puppeteers act - get in line. I hope you're willing to subject your own act to the same scrutiny.


@Stimbo

Interesting how quiet Allah's being on the issue as well, isn't it? Hasn't once even tried to stop the zealots. I wonder why?

Busy with the seam on the back side of the moon. He had his boys do a rush job on the front end just to keep codes off his ass.

[Minimalist]

The question is, why is there not more resistance? We keep hearing that they are a minority. Well, minorities can be stopped.

Interesting how quiet Allah's being on the issue as well, isn't it? Hasn't once even tried to stop the zealots. I wonder why?

Too busy fucking 9 year olds, apparently.

[Lemonvariable72]

Interesting how quiet Allah's being on the issue as well, isn't it? Hasn't once even tried to stop the zealots. I wonder why?

Too busy fucking 9 year olds, apparently.

Well they did promise virgins for all those terrorists.

[The Grand Nudger]

Tut tut Lemon. Not virgins, "well matched companions, splendid and most beautiful to the eye" wink-wink. At least it's an upgrade from bumbling amateurs. Maybe there's a whore among them after all. At least then the muslim afterlife wouldn't be such a wash.