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RE: If
February 1, 2015 at 1:19 pm
(February 1, 2015 at 7:34 am)Riketto Wrote: Tell me, tell me Tonus what suppose to be a fact?  So you don't even know what a fact is? Color me unsurprised.
Rikettoo Wrote:Why not Ton?
Well, well also a car can be idle. Yes, a car can be idle. So can a lot of things. The brain isn't one of them.
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RE: If
February 1, 2015 at 10:54 pm
(February 1, 2015 at 1:19 pm)Tonus Wrote: (February 1, 2015 at 7:34 am)Riketto Wrote: Tell me, tell me Tonus what suppose to be a fact? So you don't even know what a fact is? Color me unsurprised.
Actually i know very well what is the correct meaning of the word fact.
The question related instead to what fact are you talking about. 
Rikettoo Wrote:Why not Ton?
Well, well also a car can be idle. Quote:Yes, a car can be idle. So can a lot of things. The brain isn't one of them.
So if the brain can not be idle then it is irrelevant to have the I or consciousness as the brain can do without the I that start the thinking.
That is very interesting Ton.
I must nominated you for the next Nobel prize for discovering how the intellect works.  
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RE: If
February 1, 2015 at 11:06 pm
(February 1, 2015 at 10:54 pm)Riketto Wrote: The question related instead to what fact are you talking about. I told you which fact I was talking about.
Riketto Wrote:I must nominated you for the next Nobel prize for discovering how the intellect works. I didn't discover it. I just happened to tell you. Don't waste the opportunity to learn something.
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RE: If
February 1, 2015 at 11:08 pm
(February 1, 2015 at 7:34 am)Riketto Wrote: First of all let me congratulate for your promotion to administrator.
It really was a good choice considering how intelligent you are.
Thanks.
(February 1, 2015 at 7:34 am)Riketto Wrote: By the way Stim i still can not sleep at night thinking whether the consciousness die when the body die?
You need to get out more.
(February 1, 2015 at 7:34 am)Riketto Wrote: Do you have any evidence that all the package of body-mind and consciousness goes to the dogs?
Yes.
(February 1, 2015 at 7:34 am)Riketto Wrote: Please Stim try to help your ex-mate in trouble.
Regards from the little Rik. 
We have never mated. This is how rumours start.
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RE: If
February 2, 2015 at 1:21 am
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(February 1, 2015 at 11:06 pm)Tonus Wrote: (February 1, 2015 at 10:54 pm)Riketto Wrote: The question related instead to what fact are you talking about. I told you which fact I was talking about.
Ok, ok, when i got some time i will stroll back looking for your important fact.
Quote:Riketto Wrote:I must nominated you for the next Nobel prize for discovering how the intellect works.
I didn't discover it. I just happened to tell you. Don't waste the opportunity to learn something.
You will have to excuse me mate but now that you have said that the brain can do without the I i don't really know what to do with this I.
Shell i throw this I in the garbage and tell him to disappear for ever from my life or what.
Please Ton help me, i am really desperate.
(February 1, 2015 at 11:08 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (February 1, 2015 at 7:34 am)Riketto Wrote: Do you have any evidence that all the package of body-mind and consciousness goes to the dogs?
Yes.
You know Stim that i had an uncle that was an undertaker.
But he like you wouldn't give me the evidence whether the soul goes to the dogs.
I know that you guys have the real evidence.
Who else if not an undertaker would have the evidence otherwise?
Please Stim don't do like my uncle.
Help the poor Rik.
Even if we are not mates we are still friends, don't we? 
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RE: If
February 2, 2015 at 1:53 am
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I cannot help you; you are way beyond helping. You ask me for evidence of something I am not claiming yet cannot or will not provide evidence for most of your claims. Further, you launch personal broadsides at anyone who dares to examine what little you do provide, expecting us simply to accept it without question. You have proven yourself to be intellectually dishonest time and time again. As a result, I treat you like the clown you show yourself to be.
I fixed your post, but I cannot fix your stupidity.
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RE: If
February 2, 2015 at 2:38 pm
Why do you keep making "I" so huge?
Bolding and increasing the font size doesn't mean anything....
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RE: If
February 2, 2015 at 2:52 pm
Overinflated ego.
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RE: If
February 2, 2015 at 2:55 pm
(February 2, 2015 at 1:21 am)Riketto Wrote: You will have to excuse me mate but now that you have said that the brain can do without the I i don't really know what to do with this I. I said no such thing. I simply pointed out that the brain is never idle. Your wild fantasizing about consciousness or whatever it is that you are carrying on about doesn't change that fact.
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RE: If
February 3, 2015 at 7:06 am
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(February 2, 2015 at 1:53 am)Stimbo Wrote: I cannot help you; you are way beyond helping. You ask me for evidence of something I am not claiming yet cannot or will not provide evidence for most of your claims. Further, you launch personal broadsides at anyone who dares to examine what little you do provide, expecting us simply to accept it without question. You have proven yourself to be intellectually dishonest time and time again. As a result, I treat you like the clown you show yourself to be.
I fixed your post, but I cannot fix your stupidity.
You will have to excuse me Stim but when i did asked you.......... Riketto Wrote:
Do you have any evidence that all the package of body-mind and consciousness goes to the dogs?....................you reply...............Yes.
So how can you say that you are not making a claim?
And if you make a claim this claim should be backed down with evidence.
Do you follow me?
(February 2, 2015 at 2:55 pm)Tonus Wrote: (February 2, 2015 at 1:21 am)Riketto Wrote: You will have to excuse me mate but now that you have said that the brain can do without the I i don't really know what to do with this I. I said no such thing. I simply pointed out that the brain is never idle. Your wild fantasizing about consciousness or whatever it is that you are carrying on about doesn't change that fact.
Excuse me once again mate but when you say.............. .Yes, a car can be idle. So can a lot of things. The brain isn't one of them................i do understand that the brain can do without the I that suppose to put the brains into gear.
In this way the brain is in total command according to what i do understand from your statement.
Further down when i say to you...............I must nominated you for the next Nobel prize for discovering how the intellect works..............you reply............... ..I didn't discover it. I just happened to tell you.
So according to me you imply that you know how the brain works.
Now how can you be so sure when in reality you still don't have any evidence of whatsoever that the brain is the entity that dictate what to do or to start the action of thinking?
Don't you think that well before you say that you know how the brain works you should have evidence that the brain is able to start the thinking and that the brain and the consciousness or the I are the same thing?
I realize that now you may be a bit confused but again it happen to anyone who for the first time come across something new for them so please don't give up.
(February 2, 2015 at 2:38 pm)LostLocke Wrote: Why do you keep making "I" so huge?
Bolding and increasing the font size doesn't mean anything....
May i ask you what the I means to you if anything?
Once i know what you think than i will be able to explain you why.
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