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[Little Rik]

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Here we are.
Once again you fall in the pit of dogma.
You are convinced that the reality is a reality perceived physically or an observable objective reality.

Prove me wrong. Oh wait, you can't. All you can do is assert bullshit and arrogantly apply your ignorance.

So tell me surgen.....what sort of perception you use to perceive the reality?

My senses, consistent experiences, and predictable outcomes. What's yours, feelings?

Or put it in this way.........what is the reality?

reality

Look surgen don't try to hard to think or your nerve cells may collapse.
But don't worry, Rik is always here to help you.

Look Ricky don't try to hard to think or your nerve cells may collapse.
But don't worry, Surgenator is always here to help you.

Look brother, let me put it in a yoga way.
Of course you will reject this point but if you have something else that make more sense say so but please not the usual garbage.
According to yoga the real reality is the one who turn his thinking into this universe with all inside so anyone or anything which is inside this created universe can not possibly be the real reality.
It would be like us that when we think about suppose a horse that horse pretend to be the real reality.
It just doesn't make any sense.
But again this universe is a reality because if a brick fall on me i will suffer a lot.
But again this universal reality is not the supreme reality but a relative reality confined within space and time.
Sarkar gave the onion example to understand this philosophical point.
An onion has got many layers.
The core of the onion is at the center and layers after layers make up the whole but the core is the real thing while the external layers are less and less sort of powerful.
That is the same thing when compared to our consciousness.
The core is the pure consciousness or God and the external layers are the different strata of the consciousness mind.
So when you pretend to know what the reality is by using your external mind with the help of your physical senses you just fool yourself.
It is only by getting at the core of the consciousness that you will understand what the reality is.
You may say that the reality is what is perceived with your senses but your senses and your mind are related to this FINITE universe.
Finite also means that your mind will never be satisfied as we humans always look for more and more in order to give a sense of total satisfaction and peace of mind.
Anyone who say that they find total satisfaction within this universe is a liar.
If that would be the case people would stop rowing and struggling but they don't and the struggle continue so they are liars.
This clearly means that the reality is not external.
But don't despair brother.
Rik is always here to help you.

[Surgenator]

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Prove me wrong. Oh wait, you can't. All you can do is assert bullshit and arrogantly apply your ignorance.

My senses, consistent experiences, and predictable outcomes. What's yours, feelings?

reality

Look Ricky don't try to hard to think or your nerve cells may collapse.
But don't worry, Surgenator is always here to help you.

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Look brother, let me put it in a yoga way.
Of course you will reject this point but if you have something else that make more sense say so but please not the usual garbage.

If you know I will considered it garbage, why are you doing it? This is as bad as the christians that quote the bible.

According to yoga the real reality is the one who turn his thinking into this universe with all inside so anyone or anything which is inside this created universe can not possibly be the real reality.
It would be like us that when we think about suppose a horse that horse pretend to be the real reality.
It just doesn't make any sense.

According to testicle theology, the real reality is the one who's testicles turn into this universe with all inside so anyone or anything which is inside this created universe can not possibly be the real reality.
It would be like us that when we think about suppose a horse that horse pretend to be the real reality.
It just doesn't make any sense.

See, I can assert bullshit too.

But again this universe is a reality because if a brick fall on me i will suffer a lot.
But again this universal reality is not the supreme reality but a relative reality confined within space and time.

Contradiction!!! How can you hurt something that doesn't exist, namely you?

Sarkar gave the onion example to understand this philosophical point.

The pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid gave us testicles to understand the true reality.

An onion has got many layers.
The core of the onion is at the center and layers after layers make up the whole but the core is the real thing while the external layers are less and less sort of powerful.
That is the same thing when compared to our consciousness.
The core is the pure consciousness or God and the external layers are the different strata of the consciousness mind.

And you know it's consciousness because a guy said it is with an analogy. How do you know Sarkar knows what the true reality is? How do you know he is not deluded and has not deluded his followers? I bet your answer will be equivalent to "faith."

So when you pretend to know what the reality is by using your external mind with the help of your physical senses you just fool yourself.

The deluded believes reality is a delusion. What proof do you have that your view is not a delusion? You only have assertions. I have a rock, when thrown, will actually hurt you.

It is only by getting at the core of the consciousness that you will understand what the reality is.
You may say that the reality is what is perceived with your senses but your senses and your mind are related to this FINITE universe.
Finite also means that your mind will never be satisfied as we humans always look for more and more in order to give a sense of total satisfaction and peace of mind.

Do actually believe the universe is meant for you with all this satisfaction business? What makes you think the universe cares two shits about you?

Anyone who say that they find total satisfaction within this universe is a liar.
If that would be the case people would stop rowing and struggling but they don't and the struggle continue so they are liars.

Did you asked everyone on their death bed if they found total satisfaction? Or is this just another baseless assertion? I'm gonna guess the latter.

This clearly means that the reality is not external.

No it doesn't lead to that at all. All you have demonstrated that you are afraid of death, and you want to live forever with god-like powers. It is nothing more than wishful thinking.

[The Reality Salesman01]

http://youtu.be/6gnQz32c5EA

[Little Rik]

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Look brother, let me put it in a yoga way.
Of course you will reject this point but if you have something else that make more sense say so but please not the usual garbage.

If you know I will considered it garbage, why are you doing it? This is as bad as the christians that quote the bible.

I throw my dice after that you say that the reality is sort of something physical in order to tell you as i perceive the reality.

According to testicle theology, the real reality is the one who's testicles turn into this universe with all inside so anyone or anything which is inside this created universe can not possibly be the real reality.
It would be like us that when we think about suppose a horse that horse pretend to be the real reality.
It just doesn't make any sense.
See, I can assert bullshit too.

Indeed bullshit it is.
All the testicles can do is to be in charge for making sperm and nothing else.
Even a demented idiot knows that.

But again this universe is a reality because if a brick fall on me i will suffer a lot.
But again this universal reality is not the supreme reality but a relative reality confined within space and time.

Contradiction!!! How can you hurt something that doesn't exist, namely you?

Please explain why i shouldn't exist.

The pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid gave us testicles to understand the true reality.

There are a lot more important things that glands producing sperm so it is obvious that the bottom can not produce what is at the top of it.

And you know it's consciousness because a guy said it is with an analogy. How do you know Sarkar knows what the true reality is? How do you know he is not deluded and has not deluded his followers? I bet your answer will be equivalent to "faith."

Actually is not faith.
It is pure science.
The more you dilute something and the more it loose his power that is why the pure consciousness is more powerful than the mind.

So when you pretend to know what the reality is by using your external mind with the help of your physical senses you just fool yourself.

The deluded believes reality is a delusion. What proof do you have that your view is not a delusion? You only have assertions. I have a rock, when thrown, will actually hurt you.

Actually it is you that think that i am deluded.
I am not at all that is why i gave the onion example.
Even the outer layer of the onion are part and parcel of the onion but in a diluted way that is way the material world with his rocks are also a reality.

Do actually believe the universe is meant for you with all this satisfaction business? What makes you think the universe cares two shits about you?

Here you fail again surgen.
The universe being made of space, air, light, water and matter obviously can not care about what is more conscious like a human being.
It would be like if an external layer of an onion has got more consciousness than an internal layer which is less diluted.

Did you asked everyone on their death bed if they found total satisfaction? Or is this just another baseless assertion? I'm gonna guess the latter.

One more failing mate.
You never really study psychology nor you have been near people on death bed.
If you would you would know that no one has never been fully satisfied.
The materialist that got 1 always wish to have 2.
The intellectual that study this or that philosopher regret that he-she didn't yet study all the rest.
The religious person doesn't know whether he-she will go to paradise or hell.
The atheist will regret that at the end of his-her life nothing really is achieved so bugger all.
Now you tell me where full satisfaction is then materially or mentally speaking?

This clearly means that the reality is not external.

No it doesn't lead to that at all. All you have demonstrated that you are afraid of death, and you want to live forever with god-like powers. It is nothing more than wishful thinking.

Garbage.
The reality can not be in a place where everything is moving and changing.
Just try to find the reality in the stock market or in any physical-material or mental place.
One day you are so happy that you got somewhere to see that what you had is all gone the next day.
In a way we can say that this is also some sort of reality but the reality of the day or the year or the minute not the real reality that is not changed with the passing of time and place.

Now i really feel a bit sorry for you made.
You haven't got one correct.
But no worry brother.
Rik is always here to get you out of trouble.

[Norman Humann]

If I study psychology in uni, my master's dissertation is going to be about Ricky's emoticon use.
Actually, screw the dissertation. I'm gonna write a book about it.

[Little Rik]

If I study psychology in uni, my master's dissertation is going to be about Ricky's emoticon use.
Actually, screw the dissertation. I'm gonna write a book about it.

Are you saying that you eat your food without flavoring?
Man don't waste your time going at the uni.
You will fail for sure.

[Surgenator]

If you know I will considered it garbage, why are you doing it? This is as bad as the christians that quote the bible.

I throw my dice after that you say that the reality is sort of something physical in order to tell you as i perceive the reality.

Reality is more than just physical. The physical can arrange itself to produce mental things. These mental things construct consciousness. You want to assert things backwards without any justification. My justification is very simple, we observe mind only inside brains, and we observe consciousness only in minds. Show me any counter example.

According to testicle theology, the real reality is the one who's testicles turn into this universe with all inside so anyone or anything which is inside this created universe can not possibly be the real reality.
It would be like us that when we think about suppose a horse that horse pretend to be the real reality.
It just doesn't make any sense.
See, I can assert bullshit too.

Indeed bullshit it is.
All the testicles can do is to be in charge for making sperm and nothing else.
Even a demented idiot knows that.

All the penial gland produces melatonin which affects the modulation of sleep patterns in both seasonal and circadian rhythms and nothing else.
Even a demented idiot should knows that.

Contradiction!!! How can you hurt something that doesn't exist, namely you?

Please explain why i shouldn't exist.

Use your horse example a couple of post back. Thinking about a horse doesn't make it exist. So god thinking about you doesn't make you exist. Hence, a non-existing rock hitting a non-existing human does not harm the non-existing human.

The pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid gave us testicles to understand the true reality.

There are a lot more important things that glands producing sperm so it is obvious that the bottom can not produce what is at the top of it.

The top cannot exist without the bottom. Go ahead and build a computer without microprocessors to prove me wrong.

And you know it's consciousness because a guy said it is with an analogy. How do you know Sarkar knows what the true reality is? How do you know he is not deluded and has not deluded his followers? I bet your answer will be equivalent to "faith."

Actually is not faith.
It is pure science.
The more you dilute something and the more it loose his power that is why the pure consciousness is more powerful than the mind.

You don't know what science is. Science requires a falsifiable hypothesis and theories. You don't even dare think about how your ideas can be wrong.

The deluded believes reality is a delusion. What proof do you have that your view is not a delusion? You only have assertions. I have a rock, when thrown, will actually hurt you.

Actually it is you that think that i am deluded.
I am not at all that is why i gave the onion example.
Even the outer layer of the onion are part and parcel of the onion but in a diluted way that is way the material world with his rocks are also a reality.

I do think you're deluded, and analogies are not proof that you're not deluded.

Do actually believe the universe is meant for you with all this satisfaction business? What makes you think the universe cares two shits about you?

Here you fail again surgen.
The universe being made of space, air, light, water and matter obviously can not care about what is more conscious like a human being.
It would be like if an external layer of an onion has got more consciousness than an internal layer which is less diluted.

Toss your antiquated alchemy bullshit away and take a chemistry class. Plus, your avoiding the question. What makes you think the universe cares two shits about you?

Did you asked everyone on their death bed if they found total satisfaction? Or is this just another baseless assertion? I'm gonna guess the latter.

One more failing mate.
You never really study psychology nor you have been near people on death bed.
If you would you would know that no one has never been fully satisfied.
The materialist that got 1 always wish to have 2.
The intellectual that study this or that philosopher regret that he-she didn't yet study all the rest.
The religious person doesn't know whether he-she will go to paradise or hell.
The atheist will regret that at the end of his-her life nothing really is achieved so bugger all.
Now you tell me where full satisfaction is then materially or mentally speaking?

Psychology is a hobby of mine. And I also talked to my grandma and grandpa on their death beds. My grandpa had regrets. My grandma longed for death because grandpa wasn't around anymore. Plus, you're avoiding the question again, surprise surprise. Did you go around and asked everyone on their deathbed if they had regrets?

No it doesn't lead to that at all. All you have demonstrated that you are afraid of death, and you want to live forever with god-like powers. It is nothing more than wishful thinking.

Garbage.
The reality can not be in a place where everything is moving and changing.

This assertion is pure garbage. Let me guess, you pulled it either out of your ass or your guru's ass. Which is it?

[downbeatplumb]

[quote='Surgenator' pid='898247' dateline='1426347376']
Prove me wrong. Oh wait, you can't. All you can do is assert bullshit and arrogantly apply your ignorance.

My senses, consistent experiences, and predictable outcomes. What's yours, feelings?

reality

Look Ricky don't try to hard to think or your nerve cells may collapse.
But don't worry, Surgenator is always here to help you.

Look brother, let me put it in a yoga way.
Of course you will reject this point but if you have something else that make more sense say so but please not the usual garbage.
According to yoga the real reality is the one who turn his thinking into this universe with all inside so anyone or anything which is inside this created universe can not possibly be the real reality.
It would be like us that when we think about suppose a horse that horse pretend to be the real reality.
It just doesn't make any sense.

See the bolded words I can agree with.

But again this universe is a reality because if a brick fall on me i will suffer a lot.
But again this universal reality is not the supreme reality but a relative reality confined within space and time.
Sarkar gave the onion example to understand this philosophical point.
An onion has got many layers.

No that's ogres.

The core of the onion is at the center and layers after layers make up the whole but the core is the real thing while the external layers are less and less sort of powerful.

You of course have some evidence for this.

That is the same thing when compared to our consciousness.
The core is the pure consciousness or God and the external layers are the different strata of the consciousness mind.

This is just pure bollocks isn't it!

So when you pretend to know what the reality is by using your external mind with the help of your physical senses you just fool yourself.

[sarcasm]Yeah we are fooling OURSELVES[/sarcasm]

It is only by getting at the core of the consciousness that you will understand what the reality is.

It is only by applying scientific methods that we will understand what reality is.

You may say that the reality is what is perceived with your senses but your senses and your mind are related to this FINITE universe.
Finite also means that your mind will never be satisfied as we humans always look for more and more in order to give a sense of total satisfaction and peace of mind.

Takes a taste.
Yep that's the pure stuff.
You do make the finest bull.

Anyone who say that they find total satisfaction within this universe is a liar.
If that would be the case people would stop rowing and struggling but they don't and the struggle continue so they are liars.
This clearly means that the reality is not external.

Your words seem unrelated to your conclusion here.

Its like saying " I live in a bungalow. Therefore fish can talk Cantonese"

But don't despair brother.
Rik is always here to help you.

Well that's a relief.

[Norman Humann]

Are you saying that you eat your food without flavoring?
Man don't waste your time going at the uni.
You will fail for sure.

I do enjoy flavoring, Ricky. It's just that your spices smell like something highly hallucinogenic and likely illegal.

[Little Rik]

Reality is more than just physical. The physical can arrange itself to produce mental things. These mental things construct consciousness. You want to assert things backwards without any justification. My justification is very simple, we observe mind only inside brains, and we observe consciousness only in minds. Show me any counter example.

You try to be a little bit intellectual but unfortunately you fail.
Consciousness is like the sun.
The sun is always there as the consciousness is always there but the problem is that between the consciousness and our perception of this consciousness there are the clouds that prevent us from having a 100% perception.
The mind therefore can only perceive part of this sun or consciousness UNLESS we remove the clouds in between.
The job to remove these clouds can also be done in a physical-mental way but in this way the job is very very hard indeed.
It is like a plumber that instead of using a spanner to unscrew a rusted tap use his bare hands.
It is not impossible but by not using the correct tool you will have to go through the physical and mental hell.
That is way since the old old times smart people have always relay on the proper teacher to know how to solve this problem.

Indeed bullshit it is.
All the testicles can do is to be in charge for making sperm and nothing else.
Even a demented idiot knows that.

All the penial gland produces melatonin which affects the modulation of sleep patterns in both seasonal and circadian rhythms and nothing else.
Even a demented idiot should knows that.

Demented idiots rely on the pleasure found in the sexual life only while totally ignore, neglect and disregard the advantages that would come by engaging in the spiritual life so it is obvious that they haven't got a clue about the result that would come from activate the pineal gland.
Even those who study physical science can not understand the real role of this gland therefore it is natural that they only understand the physical side of this gland.

Please explain why i shouldn't exist.

Use your horse example a couple of post back. Thinking about a horse doesn't make it exist. So god thinking about you doesn't make you exist. Hence, a non-existing rock hitting a non-existing human does not harm the non-existing human.

If you take from my previous example you should have take it in full not only part of it.
I said that as we create something in our mind also God create the universe in his mind but the difference is that God being God he make his creation real not abstract as our.
The 5 fundamental factors that make the universe are real.

There are a lot more important things that glands producing sperm so it is obvious that the bottom can not produce what is at the top of it.

The top cannot exist without the bottom. Go ahead and build a computer without microprocessors to prove me wrong.

Sorry mate but as proven by thousand of NDEs the consciousness doesn't need a body to be alive and well.
Wrong again brother.

You don't know what science is. Science requires a falsifiable hypothesis and theories. You don't even dare think about how your ideas can be wrong.

You can try this experiment by yourself.
Pour a glass of cordial in a container of water and see if the cordial get diluted or not in his potency.
The same apply with the pure consciousness and his outer layer like the mind.
Surgen for Christ sake why don't you think twice before to write something.
You only hurt yourself in this way. hock:

I do think you're deluded, and analogies are not proof that you're not deluded.

Let us put my analogies to the public and see what they think about.

Here you fail again surgen.
The universe being made of space, air, light, water and matter obviously can not care about what is more conscious like a human being.
It would be like if an external layer of an onion has got more consciousness than an internal layer which is less diluted.

Toss your antiquated alchemy bullshit away and take a chemistry class. Plus, your avoiding the question.

Try with the cordial mate.
Even a demented idiot can see the difference.

What makes you think the universe cares two shits about you?

I already answer your question surgen.
Just look back in the previous post and you will see my answer.

One more failing mate.
You never really study psychology nor you have been near people on death bed.
If you would you would know that no one has never been fully satisfied.
The materialist that got 1 always wish to have 2.
The intellectual that study this or that philosopher regret that he-she didn't yet study all the rest.
The religious person doesn't know whether he-she will go to paradise or hell.
The atheist will regret that at the end of his-her life nothing really is achieved so bugger all.
Now you tell me where full satisfaction is then materially or mentally speaking?

Psychology is a hobby of mine. And I also talked to my grandma and grandpa on their death beds. My grandpa had regrets. My grandma longed for death because grandpa wasn't around anymore. Plus, you're avoiding the question again, surprise surprise. Did you go around and asked everyone on their deathbed if they had regrets?

Wrong again surgen.
I have been working as a nurse for the last 25 years.
During this time i have been dealing with hundredS of sick people before they die so i think i have enough knowledge about the issue.

Garbage.
The reality can not be in a place where everything is moving and changing.

This assertion is pure garbage. Let me guess, you pulled it either out of your ass or your guru's ass. Which is it?

Sorry sur but you are wrong again (again and again).
The reality doesn't change therefore can not be found in this physical universe where everything move and change.
What is real one minute is not real the next minute.
You get rid of the time and place and then you can find the real reality.