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RE: FERGUSON
December 2, 2014 at 10:46 pm
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I'm 5'10" and 160#. I fought off a gut who had at least a hundred pounds on me who was wielding copper conduit, trying to kill me. I lost about half my left ear in the fight when he bit it off, to be sure, but be it noted, I didn't have a gun, or pepper spray, or a taser. The idea that the cop had to use deadly force to defend himself is appealing to simple minds and armchair tough guys, but if I can defend myself against someone trying to kill me without killing him, shouldn't a cop -- trained to a higher extent than I ever have been -- shouldn't that cop be able to manage the situation better?
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RE: FERGUSON
December 2, 2014 at 11:32 pm
(December 2, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I'm 5'10" and 160#. I fought off a gut who had at least a hundred pounds on me who was wielding copper conduit, trying to kill me. I lost about half my left ear in the fight when he bit it off, to be sure, but be it noted, I didn't have a gun, or pepper spray, or a taser. The idea that the cop had to use deadly force to defend himself is appealing to simple minds and armchair tough guys, but if I can defend myself against someone trying to kill me without killing him, shouldn't a cop -- trained to a higher extent than I ever have been -- shouldn't that cop be able to manage the situation better?
I am a physical wimp. I hate fighting, never learned how to fight. Most of the ones I got into were not started by me. Got my ass kicked most of the time.
But when I say I have seen fights and been in a few, and even escalated a couple, no mater who was involved, what you notice in any confrontation is that there are things you do that light the fuse and things you can do to avoid the escalation.
It makes no sense to me after someone gives you lip, to attempt to physically confront them at a tactical disadvantage. Being the physical wimp I am, I learned a long time ago, that you dont touch someone or invade their space.
He is trying to make this about law and title. It is about evolution and how our species interacts.
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 9:50 am
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(December 2, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I'm 5'10" and 160#. I fought off a gut who had at least a hundred pounds on me who was wielding copper conduit, trying to kill me. I lost about half my left ear in the fight when he bit it off, to be sure, but be it noted, I didn't have a gun, or pepper spray, or a taser. The idea that the cop had to use deadly force to defend himself is appealing to simple minds and armchair tough guys, but if I can defend myself against someone trying to kill me without killing him, shouldn't a cop -- trained to a higher extent than I ever have been -- shouldn't that cop be able to manage the situation better?
Well good for you, you are either braver or more stupid than Wilson. Bravery and stupidity are very hard to tell apart.
You didn't run away or shoot the guy and you got half your ear bitten off. Maybe Wilson didn't want his ear bitten off either, or worse.
(December 2, 2014 at 11:32 pm)Brian37 Wrote: It makes no sense to me after someone gives you lip, to attempt to physically confront them at a tactical disadvantage. Being the physical wimp I am, I learned a long time ago, that you dont touch someone or invade their space.
Why is it that every time I question your stupid assertions about physical confrontation, tactical disadvantage and invading space, you just totally ignore it? This is a debate forum isn't it? Why don't you debate at all?
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 10:06 am
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(December 3, 2014 at 9:50 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: (December 2, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I'm 5'10" and 160#. I fought off a gut who had at least a hundred pounds on me who was wielding copper conduit, trying to kill me. I lost about half my left ear in the fight when he bit it off, to be sure, but be it noted, I didn't have a gun, or pepper spray, or a taser. The idea that the cop had to use deadly force to defend himself is appealing to simple minds and armchair tough guys, but if I can defend myself against someone trying to kill me without killing him, shouldn't a cop -- trained to a higher extent than I ever have been -- shouldn't that cop be able to manage the situation better?
Well good for you, you are either braver or more stupid than Wilson. Bravery and stupidity are very hard to tell apart.
You didn't run away or shoot the guy and you got half your ear bitten off. Maybe Wilson didn't want his ear bitten off either, or worse.
(December 2, 2014 at 11:32 pm)Brian37 Wrote: It makes no sense to me after someone gives you lip, to attempt to physically confront them at a tactical disadvantage. Being the physical wimp I am, I learned a long time ago, that you dont touch someone or invade their space.
Why is it that every time I question your stupid assertions about physical confrontation, tactical disadvantage and invading space, you just totally ignore it? This is a debate forum isn't it? Why don't you debate at all?
What is stupid?
If you have to take control of a situation it would make more sense to be standing and have some distance starting off. A seated position and in close proximity initiating contact in a seated position does not seem to me an ideal situation.
You will not find any cop training manual that says it is a good idea to grab someone through a car window in a seated position. You will not find any cop training manual that tells a cop to slam a car door into someones legs because they mouthed off to you.
No one is making this about Wilson's title. No one is making it about Brown's wrongful reaction.
You can staple your nuts to the wall but that does not make it a good idea.
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 10:30 am
(December 3, 2014 at 10:06 am)Brian37 Wrote: What is stupid?
If you have to take control of a situation it would make more sense to be standing and have some distance starting off. A seated position and in close proximity initiating contact in a seated position does not seem to me an ideal situation.
There wasn't a situation to take control of, there were two people walking in the road. That is not a situation. Telling them to get out of the road is not in any way 'confrontation'
(December 3, 2014 at 10:06 am)Brian37 Wrote: You will not find any cop training manual that says it is a good idea to grab someone through a car window in a seated position. True, but how do you know this happened? How do you know that Wilsons account is wrong? That Brown punched him and went for his gun?
(December 3, 2014 at 10:06 am)Brian37 Wrote: You will not find any cop training manual that tells a cop to slam a car door into someones legs because they mouthed off to you.
True but again, how do you know this happened? How do you know that Wilsons account isn't true? That Brown stopped Wilson from opening his door? And wouldn't you expect to see bruising on Browns legs if they had been slammed by a car door?
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 10:47 am
A pretty powerful message here:
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 10:52 am
You..know that's a shopped image, right?
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 10:59 am
(December 3, 2014 at 10:52 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You..know that's a shopped image, right?
Really?? 
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 11:01 am
Well hey, some people here believe some pretty nutty shit, just making sure.
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RE: FERGUSON
December 3, 2014 at 11:46 am
(December 3, 2014 at 10:47 am)Hoopington Wrote: A pretty powerful message here:
That was petty theft and misdemeanor assault. And I have assaulted a cop myself so basically you are advocating cops act as judges and executioners.
I am not going to go over the list of stupid shit I did again. I am not going to go over the countless fights I have seen that go way beyond a mere shove.I will not repeat again that I had a cop draw his gun on me over a cap gun I was holding. I will not repeat again that I have also seen my friends shoplift too.
I am sick of this crap of everyone taking MERE EXPLANATION of WHY things end up happening the way they do as advocating lawlessness.
This crap is the same crap I get from theists who mistake the issue of rights with ability to demonstrate credibility of a claim.
1. No one is saying Brown should have stolen the cigars. No one is saying he should have shoved the clerk.
2. No one is claiming Brown had the right to resist Wilson.
When you keep repeating simplistic answers to arguments I am not even making, that means you are stuck on a meme, a fallacy and are not interested in problem solving.
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