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Let The Creatard Shitting of Bricks Begineth
RE: Let The Creatard Shitting of Bricks Begineth
(December 22, 2015 at 2:28 am)snowtracks Wrote:
(December 21, 2015 at 8:35 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

The atoms we know exist are everywhere in the universe so life existing elsewhere even within our solar system at the microbe level is a matter of semantics.

Oh boy, other atheists are now cringing with the big toes curling inward with that statement.

What exactly is cringe worthy about saying atoms are plentiful in the universe? I'd say odds are pretty good in a universe full of 100s of billions of galaxies that life exists elsewhere and I am sure it won't be long that we will at a minimum prove that microbial life exists elsewhere in our solar system or at least that it can survive on it's own. Mind you I don't mean life as in conspiracy crap like Area 51, but simply it is possible for life to adapt on different planets in the universe. 

And also what is cringe worthy about saying the god of the gaps is not an argument? It isn't. Allah nor Yahweh nor Vishnu nor Thor explain anything other than that humans have vivid imaginations.
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Let The Creatard Shitting of Bricks Begineth
(December 27, 2015 at 8:24 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(December 22, 2015 at 2:28 am)snowtracks Wrote: Oh boy, other atheists are now cringing with the big toes curling inward with that statement.

What exactly is cringe worthy about saying atoms are plentiful in the universe? I'd say odds are pretty good in a universe full of 100s of billions of galaxies that life exists elsewhere and I am sure it won't be long that we will at a minimum prove that microbial life exists elsewhere in our solar system or at least that it can survive on it's own. Mind you I don't mean life as in conspiracy crap like Area 51, but simply it is possible for life to adapt on different planets in the universe. 

And also what is cringe worthy about saying the god of the gaps is not an argument? It isn't. Allah nor Yahweh nor Vishnu nor Thor explain anything other than that humans have vivid imaginations.

Everything is made up of atoms, life or not. The existence of atoms isn't conducive to the existence of life.

That being said, the idea you intended to portray is accurate as far as I'm concerned. The likelihood that life exists at least once somewhere else in the universe is almost a certainty.
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RE: Let The Creatard Shitting of Bricks Begineth
(December 27, 2015 at 8:52 am)Easy Guns Wrote:
(December 27, 2015 at 8:24 am)Brian37 Wrote: What exactly is cringe worthy about saying atoms are plentiful in the universe? I'd say odds are pretty good in a universe full of 100s of billions of galaxies that life exists elsewhere and I am sure it won't be long that we will at a minimum prove that microbial life exists elsewhere in our solar system or at least that it can survive on it's own. Mind you I don't mean life as in conspiracy crap like Area 51, but simply it is possible for life to adapt on different planets in the universe. 

And also what is cringe worthy about saying the god of the gaps is not an argument? It isn't. Allah nor Yahweh nor Vishnu nor Thor explain anything other than that humans have vivid imaginations.

Everything is made up of atoms, life or not. The existence of atoms isn't conducive to the existence of life.

That being said, the idea you intended to portray is accurate as far as I'm concerned. The likelihood that life exists at least once somewhere else in the universe is almost a certainty.

Huh, no sorry, but individual atoms that make up all forms of carbon are plentiful. I didn't say we had a smoking gun yet, I said we should expect to at a minimum prove life can exist off of this earth, for example, putting a water bear in a pool of water on the Martian ice cap, or a moon of Jupiter or Saturn.

I am playing the odds of the size of the universe. I think we are not on different pages here. I think you are arguing semantics.

Pollination theory has lots of merit. If you could DVR the history of our solar system's bombardment from asteroids and comets and gas clouds in it's revolving around the center of the galaxy in our solar system's 4 billion year history, it is easy to see the materials constantly moving around either as atoms or molecules.

Play a game of billiards long enough you will pocket a ball eventually.
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Let The Creatard Shitting of Bricks Begineth
(December 27, 2015 at 9:07 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(December 27, 2015 at 8:52 am)Easy Guns Wrote: Everything is made up of atoms, life or not. The existence of atoms isn't conducive to the existence of life.

That being said, the idea you intended to portray is accurate as far as I'm concerned. The likelihood that life exists at least once somewhere else in the universe is almost a certainty.

Huh, no sorry, but individual atoms that make up all forms of carbon are plentiful. I didn't say we had a smoking gun yet, I said we should expect to at a minimum prove life can exist off of this earth, for example, putting a water bear in a pool of water on the Martian ice cap, or a moon of Jupiter or Saturn.

I am playing the odds of the size of the universe. I think we are not on different pages here. I think you are arguing semantics.

Pollination theory has lots of merit. If you could DVR the history of our solar system's bombardment from asteroids and comets and gas clouds in it's revolving around the center of the galaxy in our solar system's 4 billion year history, it is easy to see the materials constantly moving around either as atoms or molecules.

Play a game of billiards long enough you will pocket a ball eventually.

Carbon is the 4th most common element in the universe. That still doesn't have much to do with the abundance of atoms in general. Although I'm assuming now you were talking about carbon atoms in particular and not atoms in general. I missed that part, my bad.

And yes, I agree given the abundance of carbon and potential carbon based compounds range in the millions, it's nearly impossible for life to not have formed elsewhere.
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RE: Let The Creatard Shitting of Bricks Begineth
(December 27, 2015 at 9:24 am)Easy Guns Wrote:
(December 27, 2015 at 9:07 am)Brian37 Wrote: Huh, no sorry, but individual atoms that make up all forms of carbon are plentiful. I didn't say we had a smoking gun yet, I said we should expect to at a minimum prove life can exist off of this earth, for example, putting a water bear in a pool of water on the Martian ice cap, or a moon of Jupiter or Saturn.

I am playing the odds of the size of the universe. I think we are not on different pages here. I think you are arguing semantics.

Pollination theory has lots of merit. If you could DVR the history of our solar system's bombardment from asteroids and comets and gas clouds in it's revolving around the center of the galaxy in our solar system's 4 billion year history, it is easy to see the materials constantly moving around either as atoms or molecules.

Play a game of billiards long enough you will pocket a ball eventually.

Carbon is the 4th most common element in the universe. That still doesn't have much to do with the abundance of atoms in general.  Although I'm assuming now you were talking about carbon atoms in particular and not atoms in general. I missed that part, my bad.

And yes, I agree given the abundance of carbon and potential carbon based compounds range in the millions, it's nearly impossible for life to not have formed elsewhere.

Like I said, we really are not disagreeing here. I'd only stipulate that as big as the universe is it would be still a minority. Humans have a false notion of the "abundance" of life on this planet. 99% of prior life has gone extinct in the 5 mass extinctions in the history of evolution. And no matter the life, a tree or insect or fish, for every life that completes a full term to death, there are many more attempts that fail. Pollen does lead to fertilization of plants, but most of that pollen ends up on the ground or your car or rooftop. Same with sperm and eggs.

The universe is messy and so is evolution. People falsely perceive organization as caused by a cognition. The vast majority of the universe is hostile to life.
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