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(September 6, 2015 at 1:25 am)IATIA Wrote: Maybe, but facts and science be damned. Full speed ahead.
Maybe, but that would either mean that the authors of the bible got it wrong, or that plants actually existed before suns and stars. Any other answer will be an exercise in post-hoc mental gymnastics on par with those your average holocaust denier has to employ. If ones position relies on an interpretation so strained that it could veritably mean anything you want, then your position is shit.
I would more generally advocate that one only leave one entrance into their mind(reason), and keep the rest of it rather closed, as it is one hell of a lot easier to shovel shit in than it is to get it out.
If the evidence and reason for you to believe something isn't really any better than the reason you should believe some rural farmer from Arkansas got anally probed by interstellar visitors, then you probably shouldn't.
You have apparently not quite caught up on all his posts.
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(July 26, 2015 at 12:10 am)snowtracks Wrote: Some basic errors stated here;
Good job summarizing your post right at the start.
snowtracks Wrote:the story comports with science that's why we know scripture is true.
No, the story does not 'comport with science.' It's ambiguous enough to allow people like you to come up with some pretty imaginative interpretations, but the way that those interpretations always seem to track with science --instead of the other way around-- shows that it's not your book that has it right.
snowtracks Wrote:Scripture stated millenniums before science proved, yes proof, (Hawking-Penrose theorem) that the universe had a beginning; even 100 years-ago the prevailing notion was the universe was eternal.
Scripture also stated that the sky was a canvas stretched across the flat circle of the world by a supernatural being, centuries before science proved that it was a fairy tale.
snowtracks Wrote:The first chapter of Genesis gives an accurate summation of the preparation and creation of mankind (6 long but finite periods of time).
And then the second chapter gives a completely different summation of the creation account, with at least a handful of contradictions.
snowtracks Wrote:Everyone believe in God's existence; however some don't like His authority and in their state of rebellion state He doesn't exist.
God is the person I see in the mirror every day. So in that sense, god exists. Contrary to your statement, I am comfortable putting my fate in god's hands. At least, in the hands of a god who can actually act and get things done.
snowtracks Wrote: Wrote:Scripture stated millenniums before science proved, yes proof, (Hawking-Penrose theorem) that the universe had a beginning; even 100 years-ago the prevailing notion was the universe was eternal.
"Scripture also stated that the sky was a canvas stretched across the flat circle of the world by a supernatural being" - Actually, it says " He is above the circle of the earth,..... He stretches out the heavens like a canopy".
Atheist Credo: An universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
(July 28, 2015 at 7:32 am)Tonus Wrote: Good job summarizing your post right at the start.
No, the story does not 'comport with science.' It's ambiguous enough to allow people like you to come up with some pretty imaginative interpretations, but the way that those interpretations always seem to track with science --instead of the other way around-- shows that it's not your book that has it right.
Scripture also stated that the sky was a canvas stretched across the flat circle of the world by a supernatural being, centuries before science proved that it was a fairy tale.
And then the second chapter gives a completely different summation of the creation account, with at least a handful of contradictions.
God is the person I see in the mirror every day. So in that sense, god exists. Contrary to your statement, I am comfortable putting my fate in god's hands. At least, in the hands of a god who can actually act and get things done.[/hide]
snowtracks Wrote: Wrote:Scripture stated millenniums before science proved, yes proof, (Hawking-Penrose theorem) that the universe had a beginning; even 100 years-ago the prevailing notion was the universe was eternal.
"Scripture also stated that the sky was a canvas stretched across the flat circle of the world by a supernatural being" - Actually, it says " He is above the circle of the earth,..... He stretches out the heavens like a canopy".
And now, more evidence for the Creation Big Bang Model --- "Astronomers have long theorised the existence of a first generation of stars — known as Population III stars"*. Big Bang critics had argued that the failure to detect of first born generation (Pop3**) stars, falsified all big bang models. Since the universe started with 3 basic elements (hydrogen, helium, lithium), the first generation stars would have been compose of these elements virtually metal free (metal is formed in later population stars). Until recently only Pop 1 & 2 stars were detected. Recent discoveries of Pop 3 stars validates the biblical account: the cosmos began. and consequently it further validates its divine authority, inerrancy, and inspiration. The Bible has stated the universe was brought into existence, something new, something that didn't exist before, and states frequently that the universe is in a cosmic 'stretching-out' state and makes the point that God alone is responsible for the universe expanding.
(September 8, 2015 at 1:26 am)snowtracks Wrote: "Scripture also stated that the sky was a canvas stretched across the flat circle of the world by a supernatural being" - Actually, it says " He is above the circle of the earth,..... He stretches out the heavens like a canopy".
And now, more evidence for the Creation Big Bang Model --- "Astronomers have long theorised the existence of a first generation of stars — known as Population III stars"*. Big Bang critics had argued that the failure to detect of first born generation (Pop3**) stars, falsified all big bang models. Since the universe started with 3 basic elements (hydrogen, helium, lithium), the first generation stars would have been compose of these elements virtually metal free (metal is formed in later population stars). Until recently only Pop 1 & 2 stars were detected. Recent discoveries of Pop 3 stars validates the biblical account: the cosmos began. and consequently it further validates its divine authority, inerrancy, and inspiration. The Bible has stated the universe was brought into existence, something new, something that didn't exist before, and states frequently that the universe is in a cosmic 'stretching-out' state and makes the point that God alone is responsible for the universe expanding.
How in the world does the model we have used for decades for cosmology, in which fusion reactions created all the heavy elements, starting from just H/He/Li, "validate[] the biblical account", just because we finally located the type of stars we knew had to be out there based on the mathematical models?
You're perfectly entitled to think that God caused the Big Bang to start, but it doesn't follow that finding physical evidence of the post-BB processes we have supposed by mathematical modeling since the days of Ed Hubble equates to Biblical accuracy.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
(October 7, 2015 at 12:23 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:
(October 6, 2015 at 11:12 pm)snowtracks Wrote: And now, more evidence for the Creation Big Bang Model --- "Astronomers have long theorised the existence of a first generation of stars — known as Population III stars"*. Big Bang critics had argued that the failure to detect of first born generation (Pop3**) stars, falsified all big bang models. Since the universe started with 3 basic elements (hydrogen, helium, lithium), the first generation stars would have been compose of these elements virtually metal free (metal is formed in later population stars). Until recently only Pop 1 & 2 stars were detected. Recent discoveries of Pop 3 stars validates the biblical account: the cosmos began. and consequently it further validates its divine authority, inerrancy, and inspiration. The Bible has stated the universe was brought into existence, something new, something that didn't exist before, and states frequently that the universe is in a cosmic 'stretching-out' state and makes the point that God alone is responsible for the universe expanding.
How in the world does the model we have used for decades for cosmology, in which fusion reactions created all the heavy elements, starting from just H/He/Li, "validate[] the biblical account", just because we finally located the type of stars we knew had to be out there based on the mathematical models?
You're perfectly entitled to think that God caused the Big Bang to start, but it doesn't follow that finding physical evidence of the post-BB processes we have supposed by mathematical modeling since the days of Ed Hubble equates to Biblical accuracy.
Simply, scientific collaboration that the Bible accurately proclaimed the fundamental features of big bang cosmology
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A singular beginning of matter, energy, space, and time
Ongoing expansion since that beginning
Constant laws of physics
A pervasive law of decay that implies a continuously cooling cosmos
Atheist Credo: An universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
(October 7, 2015 at 12:23 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Wut?
How in the world does the model we have used for decades for cosmology, in which fusion reactions created all the heavy elements, starting from just H/He/Li, "validate[] the biblical account", just because we finally located the type of stars we knew had to be out there based on the mathematical models?
You're perfectly entitled to think that God caused the Big Bang to start, but it doesn't follow that finding physical evidence of the post-BB processes we have supposed by mathematical modeling since the days of Ed Hubble equates to Biblical accuracy.
Simply, scientific collaboration that the Bible accurately proclaimed the fundamental features of big bang cosmology
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A singular beginning of matter, energy, space, and time
Ongoing expansion since that beginning
Constant laws of physics
A pervasive law of decay that implies a continuously cooling cosmos
Quote:In the beginning nothing existed--no earth, no sky, no sun, no moon, only darkness was everywhere.
Suddenly from the darkness emerged a thin disc, one side yellow and the other side white, appearing suspended in midair. Within the disc sat a small bearded man, Creator, the One Who Lives Above. As if waking from a long nap, he rubbed his eyes and face with both hands.
When he looked into the endless darkness, light appeared above. He looked down and it became a sea of light. To the east, he created yellow streaks of dawn. To the west, tints of many colours appeared everywhere. There were also clouds of different colours. ...
Quote:The Hindu creation myth says that before this time began, there was no heaven, no earth and no space between. A vast dark ocean washed upon the shores of nothingness and licked the edges of the night.
A giant Cobra floated on the waters. Asleep within its endless coils lay the Lord Vishnu. He was watched over by the mighty serpent. Everything was so silent and peaceful that Vishnu slept undisturbed by dreams motion. From the depths a humming sound began to tremble, Ohm. It grew and spread, filling the emptiness and throbbing with energy. ...
Man, I just can't quite tell which of the kooky "light from the darkness", "form from the void" stories this proves!
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
October 12, 2015 at 10:59 pm (This post was last modified: October 13, 2015 at 12:45 am by snowtracks.)
(October 7, 2015 at 3:00 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:
(October 7, 2015 at 2:04 am)snowtracks Wrote: Simply, scientific collaboration that the Bible accurately proclaimed the fundamental features of big bang cosmology
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A singular beginning of matter, energy, space, and time
Ongoing expansion since that beginning
Constant laws of physics
A pervasive law of decay that implies a continuously cooling cosmos
Quote:In the beginning nothing existed--no earth, no sky, no sun, no moon, only darkness was everywhere.
Suddenly from the darkness emerged a thin disc, one side yellow and the other side white, appearing suspended in midair. Within the disc sat a small bearded man, Creator, the One Who Lives Above. As if waking from a long nap, he rubbed his eyes and face with both hands.
When he looked into the endless darkness, light appeared above. He looked down and it became a sea of light. To the east, he created yellow streaks of dawn. To the west, tints of many colours appeared everywhere. There were also clouds of different colours. ...
Quote:The Hindu creation myth says that before this time began, there was no heaven, no earth and no space between. A vast dark ocean washed upon the shores of nothingness and licked the edges of the night.
A giant Cobra floated on the waters. Asleep within its endless coils lay the Lord Vishnu. He was watched over by the mighty serpent. Everything was so silent and peaceful that Vishnu slept undisturbed by dreams motion. From the depths a humming sound began to tremble, Ohm. It grew and spread, filling the emptiness and throbbing with energy. ...
Man, I just can't quite tell which of the kooky "light from the darkness", "form from the void" stories this proves!
Quote - "there was no heaven, no earth and no space between. A vast dark ocean washed upon the shores of nothingness and licked the edges of the night." When one approaches the reprobate state - God gives them up to those types of thoughts after it's demonstrated that their intentional disbelieve is permanent. .... "they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools,…".
Atheist Credo: An universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
Yes, it seems "they" did become fools, professing to be wise.
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