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#31
RE: Proof A=A
February 23, 2010 at 7:24 pm
You are grossly misinformed cake.

Firstly I made no claim - your claim on the other hand is that: "Logic alone can actually refute impossible beings outside our plane of existence that violate reality"

The logic problem is improvable scientifically because it isn't a question that science addresses, but philosophy, theology. Saying chalk has to be cheese because we only accept cheese isn't a logical argument.

Omnipotence isn't contradictory. See here: http://atheistforums.org/thread-2080.html
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#32
RE: Proof A=A
February 24, 2010 at 7:56 pm
(February 23, 2010 at 7:24 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You are grossly misinformed cake.

Firstly I made no claim - your claim on the other hand
Stop right there.

(February 21, 2010 at 8:53 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You can't use (non) evidence. You can't use logic to disprove God but you can have a lot of fun trying, and make tons of money too.
Its your claim, not mine. Let's not be intellectually dishonest now.
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#33
RE: Proof A=A
February 24, 2010 at 8:46 pm
That'd be a negative cake. No one has to prove a negative. You made a positive assertion which you refuse to back up. We've had several discussions on here where we've concluded that it's only the insane that could prove positively that there is or is not a God. We're all agnostic in that sense.. apart from you from your statement above.. unless you want to retract that?
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#34
RE: Proof A=A
February 26, 2010 at 5:21 pm
(February 24, 2010 at 8:46 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: That'd be a negative cake. No one has to prove a negative.
So now you're arguing about proving or disproving an existential negative. Hooray.

Except that's not what I'm arguing.

I'm asking YOU why you seem to regard logic is somehow unable or incapable of refuting the logically impossible (which it is fucking able to do, ideas without any evidence for an existence claim can be refuted).

I'm waiting...
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RE: Proof A=A
February 26, 2010 at 7:15 pm
Again you are asserting that God is logically impossible which cannot be substantiated - unless you can enlighten us all how. I only know of rational reasoning that states we cannot know, and not what you are asserting here, that you do know of a logical impossibility.

You are making an absolute statement that God is logically impossible are you not?

The default position is that we cannot know. God, defined as scientifically unprovable, supernatural etc.. would require supernatural methods of detection. So how exactly are you ruling out something you are ill equipped to know?

No one on this site has backed up a position of logical impossibility... because it would be rationally incoherent. Same with a logical certainty. Both are untenable.
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#36
RE: Proof A=A
February 27, 2010 at 6:08 am (This post was last modified: February 27, 2010 at 6:08 am by Violet.)
fr0d0 Wrote:No one on this site has backed up a position of logical impossibility... because it would be rationally incoherent. Same with a logical certainty. Both are untenable.
I'm 'no one' now? Sad Not that I do any more, but I have in the past asserted that Tongue
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RE: Proof A=A
February 27, 2010 at 9:22 am (This post was last modified: February 27, 2010 at 9:23 am by fr0d0.)
My apologies beautiful one Smile I'd forgotten that you'd said that, such is my perception of you Tongue
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#38
RE: Proof A=A
February 28, 2010 at 4:31 pm
(February 26, 2010 at 7:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Again you are asserting that God is logically impossible which cannot be substantiated - unless you can enlighten us all how. I only know of rational reasoning that states we cannot know, and not what you are asserting here, that you do know of a logical impossibility.

You are making an absolute statement that God is logically impossible are you not?
This depends on your definition of God, by God, I'm assuming you mean the Christian one, whose ontology at best is self-contradicting, and at worse features attributes that are so vague it ceases to have any practical relevance, either way sky daddy is a logically impossible concept.

Now, higher beings or more complex life forms may exist, but we cannot know because without sufficient evidence there's no valid reason to believe they do.


Quote:The default position is that we cannot know. God, defined as scientifically unprovable, supernatural etc.. would require supernatural methods of detection. So how exactly are you ruling out something you are ill equipped to know?
How do you know that we cannot know?
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#39
RE: Proof A=A
February 28, 2010 at 4:34 pm
WC, what Christian God are you talking about? The one I'm acquainted with is in no way vague or lacking in attributes which can be defined. In fact, there are such simple ways of defining him I find it amusing you call any possible God 'complex', bbecause in reality, God is very simple.
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RE: Proof A=A
February 28, 2010 at 4:42 pm
@ cake: The ontology is certainly not contradictory - you gave an example and I linked you to explanations of why that was not so. Now you're repeating the accusation. Again with the blind assertions.

Quote:How do you know that we cannot know?

I see no evidence for. Do you? Please avail us all of your unique revelation or STFU
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