Sexodus?!?

[The Valkyrie]

Well, currently, in my profession, the males outnumber the females by a large percentage. More women are starting to get into it but often face resistance from the "boys' network"

I have encountered it myself. Bot to the degree others have in their own chosen fields, so I'm not screaming "victim", but it happens still.

Dammit, I once had a middle aged male patient who absolutely refused to accept that the "little girl" was actually his surgeon and not a nurse.

[Nope]

I got half way through the article and gave up. It was just too overblown for my tastes.

I keep reading that women are entering colleges at a greater rate then men. I wonder if part of the reason is that some decently paying careers that don't need a four year degree are traditionally seen as male careers like welding or truck driving. Are there any jobs that are traditionally female that pay a decent living without a four year degree? I have known men that support their families on truck driving salaries, for example. They might not be rich but they do all right.

A lot of problems that men and women face are actually because of similar issues.

If someone is raped, for example, many people will look for what the victim did wrong that caused her own attack. The flip side is that when you teach women that their dress or actions can cause rape, you are basically teaching young women that most men are potential rapists, which is also harmful to men. Rape should be considered a form of terrorism that just happens to use sex as a weapon. Most men aren't rapists and don't suddenly want to hurt or degrade a woman because they saw a little skin or she smiled at them. The way we deal with rape hurts both men and women but because we are influenced by a traditional way of looking at sex and gender, we shame victims and make all men look like potential sexual predators. That isn't fair to either men or women

[Jenny A]

Well, currently, in my profession, the males outnumber the females by a large percentage. More women are starting to get into it but often face resistance from the "boys' network"

I have encountered it myself. Bot to the degree others have in their own chosen fields, so I'm not screaming "victim", but it happens still.

Dammit, I once had a middle aged male patient who absolutely refused to accept that the "little girl" was actually his surgeon and not a nurse.

I only occasionally faced that in the law, but it was there. Mostly, I felt fairly treated.

Has the OBGYN profession become entirely female there, because it mostly is here. Women want women for that for rather obvious reasons. I can imagine that men might want a urinary/prostate specialist who was male if they had the choice.

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I got half way through the article and gave up. It was just too overblown for my tastes.

I keep reading that women are entering colleges at a greater rate then men. I wonder if part of the reason is that some decently paying careers that don't need a four year degree are traditionally seen as male careers like welding or truck driving. Are there any jobs that are traditionally female that pay a decent living without a four year degree? I have known men that support their families on truck driving salaries, for example. They might not be rich but they do all right.

You have a point there. Most jobs that make money without a college education require strength. ---- Women truckers are becoming more common all the time. That doesn't take strength.

[The Valkyrie]

I got half way through the article and gave up. It was just too overblown for my tastes.

I keep reading that women are entering colleges at a greater rate then men. I wonder if part of the reason is that some decently paying careers that don't need a four year degree are traditionally seen as male careers like welding or truck driving. Are there any jobs that are traditionally female that pay a decent living without a four year degree? I have known men that support their families on truck driving salaries, for example. They might not be rich but they do all right.

I've read multiple claims that the growing numbers of women entering higher education and getting higher paid jobs is because, like the article states, the system is now tilted to the benefit of women.

If that's true, how do you explain the same trend occurring in a conservative nation like Iran, which had to pass laws to limit womens' access to some sections of universities?

[Exian]

Can I get a link, please. The test is too small on my phone.

[DeistPaladin]

I am slowly making my way through the article but I wanted to comment on the sentence in the first part of the article. Unfortunately, I can't copy and paste so I am going to summarize the quote. It was the one that stated women no longer believe in monogamy so men don't find them interesting to start a relationship with because they might end up stuck caring for someone else's child. ...

Yeah, that part really set the tone for the whole article. It made me go "huh?". Like you, I don't know that there is any evidence that women are less faithful now than they were at one time.

I can tell you that I've read studies on female infidelity (actual psychology studies and not this ranting drivel) that suggest when women stray, their motive is either they're not getting the emotional intimacy or feeling the love in the relationship or the relationship itself is falling apart and they're searching for someone to rebound with. Either way, a man who takes care of his marriage should feel fairly secure.

Women also get a raw deal from a faithless husband as well. My bookkeeper wound up being a single mother of three children when her husband ran off and gave them no support (this was about a generation ago). While men might fear not being the father of their own children, a woman fears a faithless husband may run off with the younger rival and leave her entirely with the burden of raising their children.

This is my long winded way of saying men shouldn't be any more reluctant to trust their partner or get married than women are. Both have something to lose if they turn out to have chosen a partner of bad character. Sure, be careful who you trust, as in all things in life, but you have to trust someone or you wind up living alone.

[Bad Wolf]

I understand what you're saying but I don't think that's the point of "teach men not to rape".

First of all, just consider what would happen to the rate of robbery if people thought it was acceptable to steal under certain conditions. Sure good people would never steal and bad people would still do so but what about those on the borderline? Society can make certain crimes easier to rationalize away and therefore cause it to go up.

Consider this scenario:
A clearly beaten guy stumbles into a police station. Two female cops are present to get his story.

"Some bitch clubbed me and stole my wallet!"
"Well, whatdaya expect?" the two female cops agree, "After all, you in that Armani suit. You're dressed so expensively."

It's fair to say that this hypothetical society would see a higher rate of robbery, wouldn't you agree?

Our society has gotten better about understanding that rape isn't "provoked" but we still have work to do.

I think just the statement of telling men not to rape, implies that they don't know its wrong, which is absurd. Most rapists know that rape is wrong, they just don't care. Almost everyone knows that rape is wrong, just like how everyone knows that murder is wrong.

Second, rape isn't like some of these other crimes you mention. In all examples you provided, I can think of some examples where the crime would be, if not justifiable, understandable. A mother who steals bread to feed her starving family is very much different from an executive who embezzles from his employee's retirement account. A father who murders the molester of his child might be wrong to take the law into his own hands but I understand. James Randy once related a story where he lied to his dying father telling him that he'd accepted Jesus and would see him in Heaven, thus allowing a man to die in a happier state. Drugs are also quite acceptable for a dying person in pain.

In all of these examples, I can think of circumstances that would lead an otherwise good person to commit them. I can even think of examples where the crime might be justifiable. I can think of no circumstances where rape would be justified. It's rather unique among crimes that way.

Someone has a gun to your loved ones head and says: 'if you don't rape the next person who walks through that door, i'm going to kill your loved one'

There, now we have a case where rape is, maybe not justified, but understandable.

[DeistPaladin]

I think just the statement of telling men not to rape, implies that they don't know its wrong, which is absurd. Most rapists know that rape is wrong, they just don't care. Almost everyone knows that rape is wrong, just like how everyone knows that murder is wrong.

There's knowing something is wrong and being able to rationalize it. Perhaps I wasn't clear. I was trying to map out a scenario where a civilization feels that robbery can be provoked if the victim "asks for it" by how he's dressed. Good people would still not commit robbery. Bad people would do it regardless. Borderline people might find it easier to rationalize.

The more wrongdoing can be rationalized, the more likely it is to be done. The point of "teach men not to rape" is creating a society that doesn't allow for easy rationalizations.

Consider that back in the 80s, there were two movies that featured a protagonist that committed what we now understand to be rape. One is "Revenge of the Nerds", where the hero disguises himself and a girl thinks he's her boyfriend and thus has sex with him. The second is "Animal House" which, I've never seen it but I understand it has a scenario of sex with a girl who's passed out drunk. The first is rape-by-deception and the second is rape due to her not being able to give consent.

Clearly, the attitude back then was very different than today. Obviously rape was easier to rationalize since script writers included it in the story. Today, we have a greater awareness that rape is not just when she says "no" but also includes the absence of a "yes". Do you really think this has no effect on the rate of rape?

Again, the more your culture helps people rationalize it, the more a certain wrongdoing will happen.

Someone has a gun to your loved ones head and says: 'if you don't rape the next person who walks through that door, i'm going to kill your loved one'

There, now we have a case where rape is, maybe not justified, but understandable.

Do you know of any actual cases where that's happened? The scenarios I outlined are either so plausible as to be certain to happen in history or are based on actual stories I've seen on the news (like the father who murdered the alleged molester of his son). In any event, your proposed scenario is so outlandish I have trouble even considering it.

[abaris]

Do you know of any actual cases where that's happened? The scenarios I outlined are either so plausible as to be certain to happen in history or are based on actual stories I've seen on the news (like the father who murdered the alleged molester of his son). In any event, your proposed scenario is so outlandish I have trouble even considering it.

It's even more outlandish if you consider the obvious. Sorry to sound rude, but I don't think, putting a pistol to your loved ones heads wouldn't put you in the sexy mood to even get it up to rape someone.

For me the OP article is just some justification for hopeless couch potatos why they never actually got a girlfriend. I never felt discriminated by the feminist movement. Quite the opposite. I never felt attracted to meek women not knowing what they want from life.

[Bad Wolf]

Do you know of any actual cases where that's happened? The scenarios I outlined are either so plausible as to be certain to happen in history or are based on actual stories I've seen on the news (like the father who murdered the alleged molester of his son). In any event, your proposed scenario is so outlandish I have trouble even considering it.

The plausability of the scenario is irrelevant. Your point was that I was wrong because rape is unique in that it can't be justified, obviously it can.