Torture report

[ManMachine]

The Senate is going to release a torture report. Not sure if this is a good idea, there is going to be a shit storm over this. I think most of people know what we did to out prisoners but this is going to remind them and may put our soldiers at a greater risk if captured. What do you guys think, good idea or bad idea?

manowar

The report is neither good nor bad. If the US or the UK do not want to be exposed as evil torturing fuckers then don't do it in the first place.

Don't shoot the messenger.

MM

[Lemonvariable72]

I remember when zero dark 30 came out, everyone talked about how great a movie it was. I scoffed and said that torture yields more bullshit then anything

I didn't watch that one, but one or two episodes of 24 were enough for me to get the barf cramps. It's a torture justification feast.

Yeah, who needs the CIA, when we can just get jack Bauer on the Case!

[Thumpalumpacus]

After watching people jump to their deaths to escape the burning towers on 911 and after the release of videos showing the beheadings of American captives by al qaeda and other terrorist groups, I don't care how we extract information from terrorist prisoners.

I do. We're Americans, and we're supposed to stand for right. Defending a government that tortures its enemies certainly wasn't what I had in mind when I enlisted in the Air Force, and to me these acts spat upon my honorable and loyal service.

Back in 1943, there was a terrific debate in the UK over the morality of the area-bombing of Germany. In the face of continued cries of "But they did it to us first!", the Anglican Bishop of Chichester replied, according to Churchill, "But we do not take the Devil to be our example."

Never mind the fact that what little information we got was virtually useless, as pointed out in the bullet-points above.

The release of the CIA report will only aid in the recruitment propaganda for al qaeda and will further put Americans, our military personnel and our allies at risk abroad.

I think what aids their recruitment is our continued meddling in the affairs of the region coupled with our support for Israel and certain of the Arab monarchies.

Furthermore, these atrocities, and that's what they are, are already widely known in the Arab world, and have already been used to stoke hatred for us. That happened when pictures of Specialists England and Graner posing over the prisoners they'd tortured were released back in 2005. The propaganda value of pictures ten years old is lessened by the passage of time and the fact that the victims were soldiers of a regime despised by most religious Muslims.

[Nope]

After watching people jump to their deaths to escape the burning towers on 911 and after the release of videos showing the beheadings of American captives by al qaeda and other terrorist groups, I don't care how we extract information from terrorist prisoners. The release of the CIA report will only aid in the recruitment propaganda for al qaeda and will further put Americans, our military personnel and our allies at risk abroad.

Viscerally, I understand your reaction. The prisoners are accused of enabling the deaths of many people.

Many of the people who support the government's use of torture also express a good deal of distrust toward the same government. What guarantee do we have that the CIA won't use the same torture techniques against someone who disagrees with whatever administration is in power at that time?

[vorlon13]

Why did they shove hummus up peoples asses? Was it some psychopathic cultural thing??? picture a gaurd screaming take this you hummus eating sand nigger

I think the psychotic state of mind, you must be in too do, the things these men did too alqueda. Says something about the horrible training these US soldiers must go through.

Maybe its time too change that

Wiki notes President Garfield's life was extended because of the technique, although I would expect in that case hummus was not used. If a prisoner refused to eat and the authorities in charge of the facility were given the choice of tube based or rectal feeding if the death from starvation of the prisoner was deemed undesirable, then the measure would be life saving.

If the anal hummus feeding was down to humiliate a prisoner that was not on a hunger strike that would be a different thing.

I can't recall if it was ice cream or pudding, but I have seen an adult oriented film of the procedure. Presumably, that angle was not incorporated at Gitmo, or if it was, it was only employed via a specific request from an inmate.

It occurs to me an inmate annoyed with the practice might feign liking it (reverse psychology) if the prisoner felt another punishment might be less unpleasant.

To my knowledge, Derby's Dose was not inflicted on anyone in US custody, if it turns out is was, there will be more riots.

[Tonus]

The Senate is going to release a torture report. Not sure if this is a good idea, there is going to be a shit storm over this.

A better idea would have been not torturing people, but that ship has sailed. If it's that big a risk to all of our personnel out in the field, then perhaps it's time to bring them back home... and remind them not to torture anyone while they're here, too.

[simplemoss]

Idk seems like your trying too find an excuse here Vorlon, nothing was said about a prisoner on a hunger strike, besides modern force feedings are done through the nose not the anus. The military has jets that can hover, are you really so naive that u think their using 19th century medical techniques?

They did this too shame humiliate and torture prisoners that should be your first assumption in this case

[Cato]

I think most of people know what we did to out prisoners but this is going to remind them and may put our soldiers at a greater risk if captured.

Islam doesn't need external motivation for the harsh treatment of its prisoners:

Qur'an (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."

Qur'an (8:12) - "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them."

Existing moral precepts and consequent laws and treaties on the matter should be sufficient justification for the prohibition of torture. Future captives are already at high risk of torture, so I find its consideration superfluous.

I'll have to pay closer attention when this future risk to soldiers reasoning is used. It could be that it is invoked when engaging torture apologists who have long since abandoned morality and lawfulness in order to excuse the atrocity.

[Minimalist]

may put our soldiers at a greater risk if captured.

We don't need any help to put our soldiers at risk. All you need is an asswipe of a president without a clue about history/geography/politics and we can get plenty of them killed for nothing.

[abaris]

I think what aids their recruitment is our continued meddling in the affairs of the region coupled with our support for Israel and certain of the Arab monarchies.

That's what I told the conservatards even before the Iraq war even started. Adventures like these are first class recruiting tools for radicals. They seem to be unable to walk a mile in the shoes of other people to see the probably outcome of certain actions.