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RE: The God of Convenience
January 1, 2015 at 6:25 pm
(January 1, 2015 at 6:15 pm)Lek Wrote: (December 29, 2014 at 10:09 pm)Mental Outlaw Wrote: [Snip]
In this video I talk about how the Idea of god has changed throughout time to try and work its way around scientific advancement. How much more convenient can god get for the religious until they there is nowhere else for him to hide?
God hasn't changed, but our perception of him has. Where do I go when science doesn't answer my questions? Should I just remain in the box and hope that someday scientists will give me the answer or should I search in other ways?
No.. just because science cannot answer something right away doesn't mean god or the bible can. You give science time and you will eventually get your answer. Christianity back then feared science for reasons as it could give people a understanding of a world that is much or justified to truth and mysticism I.E. the dark ages were the times were ignorance ran strong.
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RE: The God of Convenience
January 1, 2015 at 6:54 pm
(January 1, 2015 at 6:25 pm)dyresand Wrote: No.. just because science cannot answer something right away doesn't mean god or the bible can. You give science time and you will eventually get your answer. Christianity back then feared science for reasons as it could give people a understanding of a world that is much or justified to truth and mysticism I.E. the dark ages were the times were ignorance ran strong.
Does this mean, Dyresand, that you believe that nothing exists that cannot be explained by science now or someday? Might there be something that exists and we can experience, that is outside of the realm of science?
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RE: The God of Convenience
January 1, 2015 at 6:59 pm
That -we- can experience? Nope.
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RE: The God of Convenience
January 1, 2015 at 7:22 pm
(January 1, 2015 at 6:54 pm)Lek Wrote: Does this mean, Dyresand, that you believe that nothing exists that cannot be explained by science now or someday? Might there be something that exists and we can experience, that is outside of the realm of science?
The better question would be, why do we need all the answers anyway? There may be things outside of science, but why do I need to find an explanation instead of simply experiencing them?
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RE: The God of Convenience
January 1, 2015 at 7:24 pm
(January 1, 2015 at 6:59 pm)Rhythm Wrote: That -we- can experience? Nope.
So if someone tells you that he has experienced God and can't give you any scientific evidence for it, that's the end of it for you?
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RE: The God of Convenience
January 1, 2015 at 7:32 pm
Quote:Where do I go when science doesn't answer my questions? Should I just remain in the box and hope that someday scientists will give me the answer or should I search in other ways?
Depends on whether or not you wish asinine fairy tales for "answers" or not. If not, and you clearly do, you'd have to wait with the rest of us.
For myself, there is no question important enough to grasp onto your absurd beliefs in hopes of an answer that isn't worth a fart in a hurricane.
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RE: The God of Convenience
January 1, 2015 at 7:46 pm
(January 1, 2015 at 6:15 pm)Lek Wrote: God hasn't changed, but our perception of him has. Where do I go when science doesn't answer my questions? Should I just remain in the box and hope that someday scientists will give me the answer or should I search in other ways?
Nah, better just make something up instead, right? 
Science is not, has never been, the only way to get the answers to questions. It is the best way we have to get answers, but what has always been true is that faith is not even the worst method of attaining answers, it's not even a way. Neither is personal experience, that much loved desperate mantra of the theist, when that personal experience actively resists independent, objective verification.
Feel free to look for answers elsewhere, Lek. Just understand that the ways you search for god, aren't acceptable ways of finding the truth.
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RE: The God of Convenience
January 1, 2015 at 7:52 pm
(January 1, 2015 at 6:54 pm)Lek Wrote: (January 1, 2015 at 6:25 pm)dyresand Wrote: No.. just because science cannot answer something right away doesn't mean god or the bible can. You give science time and you will eventually get your answer. Christianity back then feared science for reasons as it could give people a understanding of a world that is much or justified to truth and mysticism I.E. the dark ages were the times were ignorance ran strong.
Does this mean, Dyresand, that you believe that nothing exists that cannot be explained by science now or someday? Might there be something that exists and we can experience, that is outside of the realm of science?
No i know everything around me exists because i experience it everyday.
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RE: The God of Convenience
January 1, 2015 at 8:01 pm
(January 1, 2015 at 7:52 pm)dyresand Wrote: No i know everything around me exists because i experience it everyday.
Exactly. But if you have an experience, and can't substantiate it scientifically, then you'll believe that you really didn't have that experience or you just imagined it. Of course, saying you just imagined it is a scientific conclusion. You believe that there is no way to substantiate an experience but by natural scientific means. So if it can't be proven by natural science, then it doesn't exist.
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RE: The God of Convenience
January 1, 2015 at 8:21 pm
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(January 1, 2015 at 7:24 pm)Lek Wrote: (January 1, 2015 at 6:59 pm)Rhythm Wrote: That -we- can experience? Nope.
So if someone tells you that he has experienced God and can't give you any scientific evidence for it, that's the end of it for you?
If someone tells you they rode dragons with F'lar during Threadfall, do you seek a reasonable explanation, or do you write the idea off?
I cannot remember who it was who wrote this, but it's pertinent here:
Quote:Once you understand why you don't believe in Zeus, you'll understand why I don't believe in your god.
Personal experience is subject to misperception, effects of fatigue and drugs, and simple dishonesty. Skepticism should be applied in direct proportion to the exotic nature of the claim. That means that god-claims must meet very high bars.
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