Ignosticism

[Dystopia]

I think ignosticism justifies gnosticism - If I can't define what is a god, then I know it doesn't exist since it's not even defined - Something that is undefined cannot be considered to exist.

[bennyboy]

No, that's not a typo! It's an alternative atheist perspective I stumbled upon recently. It dismisses the need to even address claims about the existence of a God, since no meaningful definition of a God has yet been given.

Any definitions I've ever heard are at best unfalsifiable and at worst incoherent. I think ignostic covers my position quite nicely. What you guys reckon? Here's a link for more info:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism

Ignosticism is one of the reasons I claim agnosticism rather than agnostic atheism.

[robvalue]

Well I'm still gonna get the t-shirt. It's the coolest type of atheism :p It's true atheism. I have reached a new state of non-belief, where I can slice claims in two with finger-beams. I no longer need to even think about it. I sit on my throne, in the dark, and deny everything. I will win in the end!

What was I saying?

[Alex K]

I kinda like the sentiment, because a lot of time is wasted on existence discussions lacking a clear notion of what god is supposed to mean


Is this very different from agnostic?

The difference is mild. Agnosticism says it doesn't know. Ignosticism says mental effort is pointless. So agnosticism can entertain a proof of a God concept while ignosticism won't entrain the idea until the definition is falsifiable.

Could one say - a bit like agnosticism with an extra helping of Occam's razor?

[robvalue]

Agnosticism: "I don't know"

Ignosticism: "I don't know what the fuck you're talking about"

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Yeah, it's not a label I'd go around using as people have enough trouble even knowing what atheism is. I just thought it was interesting, and weird I'd not heard of it before.

[Radco]

Ignosticism is fun. And I think most atheists would rather dismiss theist arguments from the get-go.

But some times you just wanna punch stupid people in the face.

[robvalue]

Lol

It does address my own position well, because I have never ever got to the point where someone has made a falsifiable, coherent claim. So no debate can even begin, just story time. I'll let you know if someone manages to get as far as stage 2.