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Where is the information stored?
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RE: Where is the information stored?
January 21, 2015 at 3:41 pm (This post was last modified: January 21, 2015 at 3:44 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 21, 2015 at 9:38 am)watchamadoodle Wrote: I agree with what you say, but I think you are looking at the physical make-up of the universe and asking the question: "can the universe think like a human brain?" You're imagining scientifically, and I am imagining wooishly - something like "the Force".
I'm actually not, I'm asking "is the universe capable of logical computation". We don't know of anything other than human beings that can think "like a human brain" - but the moment we talk about sentience or mind - we are explicitly invoking "human thought" - so there's always that. Find some other words, "mind" won't work, if you want non-human woo.
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RE: Where is the information stored?
January 22, 2015 at 6:24 am
When I saw the header, I assumed this was about neuroscience, and memory storage. Not so, but it does kinda follow in on what robvalue said. The fact that we know more about the particulars of black holes and subatomic particles than we do about how our minds work is a bit of a problem. If the only way you had to view the stars was via an organic telescope that grew on trees, which you couldn't build or even understand the workings of, how deeply would you trust your astronomical data?
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RE: Where is the information stored?
January 22, 2015 at 9:15 am
(January 19, 2015 at 3:51 am)Heywood Wrote: Imagine completely empty space. Now in that space place two electrons. Smash those electrons together hard enough and you get a shower of other particles....including protons. This suggests the information necessary to construct a proton is contained in the electron. Continue to smash particles together and conceivably you can have an entire universe....just like ours. Does the information necessary to construct a universe just like our exists in just two electrons? If it doesn't where does this information exist?

The problem (and its answer) come from the descriptor "empty". Space turns out not to be so empty, at least in potential.

"Where it is stored" probably doesn't have an answer, at least not as we non-scientist types currently understand it. Personally I'm in the mind-blown, waiting for the picture to come back into focus stage with this.

I of course have no predilection to look for a magic fairy as an answer. To me that would signify that I'd stopped looking for serious answers altogether.
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