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RE: Ancient Raptor Civilization
January 20, 2015 at 5:48 am
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(January 20, 2015 at 5:43 am)Exian Wrote: What about its origin? Is there a problem with a whole unknown branch of life developing from amphibians or reptiles that we don't know about? And what of the atmospheric conditions; what can that tell us of the type of life that could have possibly been facilitated?
I'm not talking about something radically different such as a new branch of life. Think some species which is not further removed from, say, velociraptors, than we and the rest of the great apes are from other primates. I see what Lucanus is saying, other primates are using their hands already in a more sophisticated fashion than known raptors possibly would have.
Another aspect of the discussion really is - assuming for the sake of the thought experiment that it could plausibly have happened even if it seems not so likely from comparisons with the raptor fossils we know - could such a "civilization" have sunk with no trace, and in particular without spreading worldwide.
p.s.
Also, many theropods could have been plant eaters or at least omnivores, no?
http://www.pnas.org/content/108/1/232.abstract
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RE: Ancient Raptor Civilization
January 20, 2015 at 5:58 am
(January 20, 2015 at 5:48 am)Alex K Wrote: Another aspect of the discussion really is - assuming for the sake of the thought experiment that it could plausibly have happened even if it seems not so likely from comparisons with the raptor fossils we know - could such a "civilization" have sunk with no trace, and in particular without spreading worldwide.
Well, for all we know, there could be the remains of a Raptor Sapiens city buried under the sea... just like...  ... Rapture!
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RE: Ancient Raptor Civilization
January 20, 2015 at 5:59 am
(January 20, 2015 at 5:58 am)Lucanus Wrote: Well, for all we know, there could be the remains of a Raptor Sapiens city buried under the sea... just like... ... Rapture!
They probably also displeased God with their raptor like ways, except that God didn't tell raptor Noah to build a boat.
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RE: Ancient Raptor Civilization
January 20, 2015 at 6:00 am
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Nah, perhaps it was just Raptor libertarians going theropodshit on the gene splicing thingies...
(January 20, 2015 at 5:48 am)Alex K Wrote: p.s.
Also, many theropods could have been plant eaters or at least omnivores, no?
http://www.pnas.org/content/108/1/232.abstract
Yeah but even then, they had three fingers per 'hand', which is not exactly advantageous for a tool-making species...
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RE: Ancient Raptor Civilization
January 20, 2015 at 6:06 am
Being isolated on an island could have prevented the spreading of its civilization. It could also allow for selection against aggression and towards cooperation, creating a more domestic community.
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RE: Ancient Raptor Civilization
January 20, 2015 at 6:07 am
Still here... Veloci-sapiens
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RE: Ancient Raptor Civilization
January 20, 2015 at 6:09 am
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(January 20, 2015 at 6:07 am)ManMachine Wrote: Still here... Veloci-sapiens
ILLUMINATI REPTILIAN CONFIRMED
Tho I didn't know they evolved boobies
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RE: Ancient Raptor Civilization
January 20, 2015 at 6:11 am
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Please people, we are having a serious scientific discussion here!
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RE: Ancient Raptor Civilization
January 20, 2015 at 6:14 am
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(January 20, 2015 at 6:09 am)Lucanus Wrote: (January 20, 2015 at 6:07 am)ManMachine Wrote: Still here... Veloci-sapiens
ILLUMINATI REPTILIAN CONFIRMED
Tho I didn't know they evolved boobies
There's the neoteny of kneading you were talking about. *CROOKED PLAUSIBLE STAMP*
To add to the island idea- that island could have been volcanic and be a sunken eroded caldera by now.
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RE: Ancient Raptor Civilization
January 20, 2015 at 6:19 am
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(January 20, 2015 at 6:14 am)Exian Wrote: To add to the island idea- that island could have been volcanic and be a sunken eroded caldera by now.
Islands are always great - these guys could have evolved a very unusual ecological niche beforehand which would have facilitated the evolution of brainz. Although the question remains - for what.
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