A drich blog

[Thumpalumpacus]

...yeah that didn't answer the question at all.

He cannot answer what he doesn't comprehend.

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lol, in this thread, Drich compares himself to Paul, Peter, and Jesus.

Climb down off'n your cross there, Squib ... we're not barbecuing until later this afternoon.

As for quoting me, I will need to review each instance, because I've no doubt that out-of-context quoting will be standard practice, given what you've demonstrated about your lack of integrity.

[Cyberman]

That's a little bit hypocritical isn't it? haven't you posted my work on website that features 'crazy quotes' from Christians? Someone sent me a link and i saw my words, and they were out of context but you took the time to 'frame' them. (In the worst possible way)

Possibly, except now you're demonstrating precisely what I meant by misrepresentation, because any quotes that were posted - and others have done the same - were presented with context as provided by you and linked back to the relevant threads for fuller context. Nothing has ever been edited to make you say anything that you didn't, a fact which can be verified and which you clearly recognise since you are content merely to assert the allegation instead of demonstrating it. Can you give me the same guarantee?

[Mister Agenda]

The guy who does out Internet 'stuff' from work said he would like for me to blog. About some of the stuff we talk about here. Which kinda got me thinking.

The first thought is to ask if it would be alright to maybe post a few 'atheist' responses and my follow ups..

Check with me before you use anything by me, and I will probably say 'yes', especially if you're not changing anything. If you want to change something, I may say yes provided I get input.

The second thought would be a way for me to share the 'proof' you guys have been asking for. Pictures of the shop/business, maybe some of the stuff from trich's drug rehab, pics of me working in the puppet ministry, letters from the patent office, maybe some pics of my family's military service... But at the same time I don't want to wander over into 'bragging.'

I generally don't take issue with most of your claims, I just interpret their meaning differently.

Someone asked me to friend them on face book as a way to verify some stuff. I can't do that as most of my facebook friends are just church and family. (Lots of kids) I was apart of an atheist/christian discussion group and some of the stuff they posted was not suitable for minors.

That's a reasonable concern.

So for me I think this blog idea is a good compromise. As I can justify posting these various blessings/responsiablities God has given me and maybe link it all together.

So what would be something you would like to see, and I'll see what I can do to compile this information.

I spend too much time on this site without adding another stop to my internet itinerary, but I appreciate the invitation. Good luck with your blog.

[Drich]

What kind of class are you teaching, Drich? Will your students be stopping by here?

One of the elders just asked if I would be open Sunday mornings to teach at a seed church. So I don't know if we will do a Q&A or if they want to pick a subject..

Probably not. However I have thrown my Thread finder up on the big screen and just briefly talked about some of the subjects we have discussed here. Even spun it off into a couple different lessons that got their attention.

(Basically what I am talking about in the other thread. How God does not support corrupt view/versions of Himself, and what that means to a baliever..)

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But again "My mind in open."

Yes, an open mind is not about behaving as an uninformed child and believing in anything either for the sake of believing in it or because someone told me it's true. Having an open mind means weighing the evidence against the claim. If there is no evidence to substantiate the claim, it is unreasonable to place faith in the claim nonetheless.

Ah, no.

Everything I listed was an example of the definitive conclusions you made. You left no avenue nor expressed any intrest in evaluating any new information. Which by defination means you have closed you mind off to this subject and ae sticking with your fore mentioned conclusions.

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You can quote me at will Drich: "I don't believe in magic and that is what a god is."

Magic, is a term that describes a process we do not understand.

God is the God of the natural universe, and as we progress we understand what He has Created more and more.. This process of understanding has been labled 'science.' God is a God of science.

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My experiences are points of contrast for me. Reasons to keep knocking even when things are bleak. Often time when we seek proof the answer can be found in the formula in which Miricals of Christ day were experienced. Not that a herion recovery is considered to be a mirical now a days.

What I am speaking to is being placed in a situation that is impossible to get out of on your own.

Like with herion yes there are programs, but it they all still require the will to see them through.. 10 years of addiction means ones will to see a program through is all but non existent.

We had to endure a season, but when it was time to move past that trial God turned off a switch in my wife, and she did not need the multi thousand dollar programs, or the endless meetings or any of the other stuff we typically need to move past this sort of addiction.

Again, this may not be a mirical but it follows the pattern or outline miricals follow In That the outcome would not be possible without help. Now multiply these type events over and over and over again. Then mix in direction from the Spirit, which for me has produced unbelievable results and while maybe one or two of these things can be explained away, tens of not hundreds of examples can not all be explained away as 'good luck' or sheer will.

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But the point of sharing your experiences is to show that A/S/K works, right?

Sharing the experiences shows how A/S/K is playing out for me, and sharing that it is an open invitation to anyone else who will seek out God as God told us to.

[Silver]

Ah, no.

Um, yes.

After all, if you are so open minded, then you should be knocking and seeking all that which has no evidence to support its existence simply because there is a claim of its existence. You should have unwavering faith in leprechauns, Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, unicorns, the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, aliens. If you do not earnestly believe in that which I have listed, then by your definition you are close minded.

[Drich]

I work with alot of electrical/electronic issues durning the course of a given day, and I have developed diagnostic a logic for checking circuits. At it's core it strips everything down to a set of simple questions. Is electrical power present? Then is electrical power present? Is it avaiable in the right voltage? if yes then A if no then B.

I take this metric and apply it to a whole host of other things, while it yeilds answers oten time it seems cold or robotic. Which is what it's supposed to be when one wants to get to the root of an issue.

I will apply something similar to your people, not as a way to dehumanize anyone but to give you a black or white answer when most believe their are no black or white answers to be given.

Why? Because even if in the throws of death a person looses faith their efforts, their life not be invain.

The couple I spoke of were certainly taken past their limits.

I am just now getting a taste of all that is to come with cancer, and I have no doubt that they were both tasked past their limits. That said being place beyond one's limits is just the oppertunity to be faithful to what one has been given. It doesn't mean that they were. to be faithful through trials yields Spiritual rewards, those are garranteed

Again, the couple I spoke of were wholly committed to god and their religion.

I am not doubting that.

But their manner of death was heinous. They both suffered greatly. Christ may have likened it to a seed, but we're talking about living, breathing people withering away to nothingness.

Look how Christ died, Look at the way all the apstoles including Paul died, they were either stoned or crucified... Given the choice I think I would choose the option that has hospice pump you full of morphine and have one drift off.

How do you know they weren't? Maybe it is not what they would want for themselves at the moment, but without a doubt now they would not give up what they have been given to come back if all is as you say it was.

How do you know they were?

See the bold.

I definitely agree with your point there. Their deaths proved that there is no reward for living life on your knees in awe of some divine being.

Whatever happens in this life good or bad is not ment as a reward. The good as well as the bad are tasks or 'talents' or responsiblities (As per the parable of the talents.) we have been saddled with to see if we will be faithful to what has been given us.
Cancer is a job or task we have been given to test AND Train/teach us for what is to come. Like wise so is a sucessful business where you make lots of money. Each has it's benfits and each has it's hardships. But, in the end the question will be the same. did you honor what you were given or did you just bury your lot because it was not what you wanted?

Of course we haven't been promised a good death. If we were, even the faithful would have recognized it as a whopping lie centuries ago. Your second point is one that sticks in my craw; when confronted with a terrible death, we'll become more pliable to religion because of our fear of meeting the same miserable fate.

Well, fear not, because God wants nothing to do with those type of people anyway. (Those who live hell bent till/only because death is upon them.)

They were definitely everything I described. Suffering and dying from a disease is not what is best for anybody. Matthew 17:20 describes prayer as able to move mountains. Even if this is viewed as a metaphor, it means prayer is able to achieve the impossible.

Indeed, however if you want to do a word study I can show you in the greek that the phrase "Move mountains" refers to doubt and disbelief. Not to cancer or literal mountains.

How can I say this for sure contextually? because in all of Christ ministry He only Gave one example of prayer. and it is known as the Lord's prayer. In this prayer we start out by praising and acknowledging the authority of God
"Our Father who is In Heaven, Holy is your name."

Then the next efforts are centered around changing the will of the indivisual to that of God and having the indivisual accept the will of God for them.
"Your Kingdom come Your will Be done on Earth as it is In Heaven"

Then we have the petition port of the prayer where we have been given the example to ask for your daily needs. (At this point on can argue for health, but again God's will exceeds our own.)
"Give us this day our daily bread."

Next we pray a condition to the forgiveness of our sin:
"Forgive us of our sins as/if we forgive those who sin against us."
Meaning if we can not forgive our sins will not be forgiven as per the parable of the unmerciful servant.

Finally we ask that we be removed from temptation and saved from evil.
"Lead us not into temptation but deliever us from evil."

In short what it means to pray is to follow this model where we put God's will over our own. Meaning prayer is not a way for us to change God's mind or a way for us to ask Him for what we want, but Real actual prayer is to help change us to want what God wants for us. Asking for 'stuff' without concidering what God would will or want is called petitioning God (often misidentified as prayer.) Petitioning God is not a sin matter of fact Paul says we can go to God with our petitions as well as prayer directly. That said however Prayers will always be answered positivly while petitions may or may not get answered at all.

Surely, prayer is sufficient to remove cancer if this is to be believed. If he heard their prayers and those praying for them and failed to intercede when it was within his power then he is a cruel, malevolent being unworthy of allegiance, let alone worship.

If a greater good is served in cancer then why would he have it removed?

Asked another way:

If the people you are talking about would have been given the choice to die the way they did and it save a soul that would otherwise be doomed to Hell, or die together in their sleep, and someone like you be lost forever which would they have chosen?

[vorlon13]

Quote: ". . . teach at a seed church . . . "


Hmmmmm.

Having a lax cherry picking heretical apostate out corrupting the word is an acceptable compromise, no ? It's not like Drich is ever going to go out and 'preach' (heh, heh) atheism, but pushing questionable and incomplete doctrine would have to serve Satan's interests to a better degree than anything else he'd be capable of.

God ain't gonna smile on his endeavor, we otta give him a pass here.





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[Drich]

That's a little bit hypocritical isn't it? haven't you posted my work on website that features 'crazy quotes' from Christians? Someone sent me a link and i saw my words, and they were out of context but you took the time to 'frame' them. (In the worst possible way)

Possibly, except now you're demonstrating precisely what I meant by misrepresentation, because any quotes that were posted - and others have done the same - were presented with context as provided by you and linked back to the relevant threads for fuller context. Nothing has ever been edited to make you say anything that you didn't, a fact which can be verified and which you clearly recognise since you are content merely to assert the allegation instead of demonstrating it. Can you give me the same guarantee?

To be honest You have not said anything I can really use, while still entertaining since you went 'green' and now 'red' your efforts tend to center around one liners and color commentary. again while entertaining, the reason for the blog is to cut that sort of stuff out and get to the message and the concerns people have concerning what they understand or formally believed.

That's not to say you've never posted anything of serious concideration. In the event this should ever happen again or if I want to use something profound that you once said I would absolutly carry over full context and will not change anything as well as leave a link to the thread and a post number. If you want I'll even let you know befor I post something and submit it to you for review.

I have been looking and I think it would be something like what we do here I take you whole quote and my whole response.

Plus I plan on leaving the blog open for discussion. If everyone can behaive and I don't get a bunch of spammers. As with here I do not shy away from anything unless I feel it has been done to death already.

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Ah, no.

Um, yes.

After all, if you are so open minded, then you should be knocking and seeking all that which has no evidence to support its existence simply because there is a claim of its existence. You should have unwavering faith in leprechauns, Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, unicorns, the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, aliens. If you do not earnestly believe in that which I have listed, then by your definition you are close minded.

No I do not but, havng an open mind i would seriously consider any serious evidence presented.

[vorlon13]

I guess were up to 40,001 denominations now.

[Silver]

No I do not but, havng an open mind i would seriously consider any serious evidence presented.

If there was serious, verifiable evidence of the existence of god, then it would only make reasonable sense that there would be no need for either atheism or religious faith.

The fact that one must rely upon faith, belief that is not based on proof, is counterproductive to logic. I am no more going to place faith in the existence of a unicorn than I would god.