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converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
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RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
(March 13, 2010 at 6:12 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes, now that you've decided not to let this fellow

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do all your thinking for you and tell you how to behave and what to do you can escape from the nice comfortable life of a mindless obedient automaton :S

I love that man. Platonically of course... Tongue

I thought the counterexample was humorous... and the message i brought home is "think for yourself, morons!"... which i think is a good message Tongue
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#22
RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
which, I might add, is not mutually exclusive to atheism Tongue
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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#23
RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
That image of him always reminds me of...

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Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
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RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
(March 13, 2010 at 6:07 am)tackattack Wrote: security blanket? Assuming he'll give up his ability for reason because he has a belief?

Ok I'm just going to put this out there, because sometimes I get tired of the connotations placed upon religion. Let's just assume that God is nothing more than a mental construct to rationalize some moral absolute objective to our own subjective perspective on reality. How is that in any way a bad thing of itself. God forbid (no pun intended) we ever find actual truth in the hypothesis. People suppose religion = delusion = harmful to society. Religion does not exlcude rational thought, it's simply a different belief and should be respected as much a belief in science and psychology and abiogenesis is. They're not mutually exclusive. Every moment is a stange in our journey of understanding. Implying religion is a step backwards is preposterous.

Well when religion drives people to do stoopid shit like... umm 9/11 or the whole Bosnia thing. (Christans and muslims started fighting)..or the middle east thing with the sheites and soonies (spelling ?!? no idea and realy dont care) hell thier both muslim and kill each other over doctrines.... So your right religion is not a step backwards its more like sprinting backwards.
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RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
You're attributing men and their fanatical excuses to religion as a whole which usually instills a message about doing good works. Or are you blaming Chritianty and Muslims with all the war attrocities in the world specifically?
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
(March 13, 2010 at 9:22 am)tackattack Wrote: You're attributing men and their fanatical excuses to religion as a whole which usually instills a message about doing good works. Or are you blaming Chritianty and Muslims with all the war attrocities in the world specifically?

nope not all, just the unnessesary ones... not that any are nessesary.. there are religous wars and political wars.. political wars are for power where religious wars are over who has the right invisible freind. But Political wars of late dont go into genocide... In bosnia in the 90's it was started by Christians who got tired of having to listen to the muslims pray ect... there were towns where if your house wasnt marked with a Cross it was brunt to the ground and anyone (even children) trying to exscape were shot and killed. THOUSANDS of muslim women were RAPED and if they fought back they were killed... All in the name of an Invisible friend.. So like me you probably live in a free/religious tolerant country. Growing up i was taought that everyones religion was to be respected ...live and let live.. But as I got older and opened my eyes to what realy went on ...well Atheist says it all.... I was in the military and seen first hand what religion does to blasphemers. I talked to the old lady visiting her husbands grave that was besides her sons and her sons family.. all the little stones all in a row.. one little old lady just pressing on with life.. alone... All in the name of my god is bigger than your god..... Thats the day I lost respect for religion.... and im not blaming just those 2 religions just about any religion large enough to field an army has done so in the name of there invisible friend
Did I make a good point? thumbs up Smile I cant help it I'm a Kudos whore. P.S. Jesus is a MYTH.
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RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
(March 13, 2010 at 2:07 am)TruthWorthy Wrote: I've reverted back to catholicism, sorry guys.

It's true, I'm going back. There's little reason to refuse this. I remember my bapticism, I remember it all. There's no way that would happen otherwise.

How does remembering your bapticism lead you back to catholicism ? I'm really interested in reading a reconversion story so could you elaborate please ?

(March 13, 2010 at 4:20 am)TruthWorthy Wrote: Good luck guys, I wish you all the best in your pursuits.
I hope it doesn't mean that you're leaving the forum Sad
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RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
(March 13, 2010 at 4:20 am)TruthWorthy Wrote: It's true, I'm going back. There's little reason to refuse this. I remember my bapticism, I remember it all. There's no way that would happen otherwise. Good luck guys, I wish you all the best in your pursuits.

You say that you are going back. If this is as a result of a vision or experience, which I accept was probably very real to you, then I suspect that you had never truly left in the first place.

From a psychological viewpoint I think that many atheists would attribute this kind of experience to something like an aftershock for all the years that you where a believer. The human brain is a very complex and wild place which throws up all sorts of images and feelings when you least expect it. As an example, the other night as I was getting to sleep, I was suddenly confronted with a virtual slide show consisting of countless clear and vivid memories from my teenage years. Very strange it was too but also rather comforting. What had caused these visions? I prefer to think that it was my mind trying to re-connect itself to younger and happier times (not that I'm unhappy) rather than any supernatural intervention attempting to give me a message.

Could your experience not be a similar phenomenon, especially if you had been struggling with the atheist worldview. It may simply have been a psychological reaction to some deep seated subconscious conundrums your mind had been mulling over. Do you not think that this, or some similar explanation is more likely than resorting to a religious answer and may be well worth exploring?
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RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
(March 13, 2010 at 11:11 am)Darwinian Wrote: You say that you are going back. If this is as a result of a vision or experience, which I accept was probably very real to you, then I suspect that you had never truly left in the first place.

That is aching towards an NTS.

If there was a time in his life where he didn't believe in a god, then he did leave the faith.

I hope you do visit the forum from time to time TW.
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My point was that part of his faith never really left him and as soon as he had a profound experience it came straight back to the surface.
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