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converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
#61
RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
In answer en-mass.
While I believe emotions are necessary to motivate a person's actions I don't think my emotional response is without factual content. Yes it is always going to be subjective and my emotional response was of inspiration and awe, not some cry baby event or feeling of connection more than a sort of breakthrough.
The reason I've taken Catholicism back isn't because I lack other frames of reference but because I was baptised Catholic and that's what I remember. I don't think it's the "right" religion, just that it's the one that I've accepted and identify myself as belonging to.
I think of lots of good points that seem to refute the basis of religion and I realise they are another point of view, that of disbelief.
Another point of view I have that wasn't shared by members here is my belief that intelligent actions stem from emotion. For example, a person locked in a room with the key to leave doesn't care to get out so might sit there without moving. In a way this doesn't work because the mind would take in the stimulus and beat the boredom, would eventually leave. Evolution again I suppose, we feel hungry and we eat.
As to my own truth finding, which isn't always interesting to nonbelievers - I believe now because I don't scrutinise the Holy Spirit.
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#62
RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
Spoken like a true Catholic

So you belive becouse you stopped questioning but at the same time dont think its the right religion.... umm wow
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#63
RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
Hmmm, interesting, TW. I'm not exactly sure how you can say "I am Catholic" and subscribe to a particular religion such as Catholicism, yet claim that it is not necessarily the 'right' religion. Catholicism itself declares that to be Catholic one must assert Catholicism as true.

The Holy Spirit thing I can come closer to understanding. Wink
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#64
RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
(March 14, 2010 at 10:41 pm)Xyster Wrote: Spoken like a true Catholic

So you belive becouse you stopped questioning but at the same time dont think its the right religion.... umm wow

I believe because I questioned what I could; I believe it's the "right" religion for me.

(March 14, 2010 at 10:46 pm)Watson Wrote: Hmmm, interesting, TW. I'm not exactly sure how you can say "I am Catholic" and subscribe to a particular religion such as Catholicism, yet claim that it is not necessarily the 'right' religion. Catholicism itself declares that to be Catholic one must assert Catholicism as true.

The Holy Spirit thing I can come closer to understanding. Wink

I say Catholicism is true for me. I don't want to take up this way of saying "I'm right, or you're wrong".

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#65
RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
So, why Catholicism? Since Catholicism usually indicates one praying to Saints, the Virgin Mary, etc., etc., do you do all that? And if so, why do you believe that those things have any relation to God or to your experience in the dream? I'm definitely all for dreams as being quite valid in one's belief system, but if you are reverting to Catholicism solely because your dream related to your Baptism as a Catholic, that is somewhat of a weak tether to one specific religion.

I'm not trying to deconvert you, just as much as anyone else here is, but I am interested in just WHY Catholicism, and scrutiny is the best medicine for inconsistency. Smile
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#66
RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
Scrutiny yes, analysis no. I should have used the latter in my earlier post. I say this because analysis is a means of breaking things down into smaller 'bits'. I see Catholicism as a smaller 'bit' of where God can be found. For me it's like this, He has shown himself to me through Catholicism, I don't doubt that others have found their own truth equally valid. For instance, I disagree with the young Earth hypothesis because it doesn't courispond with my beliefs of historic studies, archiology, paleontology, etc; however, I recognise that such a belief is an extension of the belief system the person has subscribed to and if found invalid by others doesn't lessen the truth in it, or in the fundamental truth in the almighty Lord.
Praying for guidance from the Saints, or to the virgin Mary, is much like praying to God. These spirits work in the interests of God as do those who worship Him. Mary McKillop is a living saint which is a contradiction of the past requirements to becoming one, in another way there's nothing to say it couldn't happen, that I know of. The distinguishing characteristic is of course, praying to Saints, but praying for people. As I see it, I'm unsure about the necessity of praying to St. Mary McKillop, in another context I'm not sure what her speciality is but I think it would be assigned when she is with God.
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#67
RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
Question thoroughly answered. Good luck on your journey, dude!
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#68
RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
I swear you and Watson have switched bodies. He used the "you can't break down Christianity into smaller bits" argument a few weeks ago...
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#69
RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
Haha, I've personally revised my conclusions about that argument, actually. But I still think it's pretty valid. Smile You can break Christianity into smaller bits, but they will always resemble the larger whole when viewed properly. And, in itself, Christianity is a breaking down of the much larger entity of God. Just as is Catholicism, Buddhism, Islam, Judeo-Christianity, and even Atheism on some level...the listgoes on. Wink
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#70
RE: converting back unto theism - yes it's true.
TW had a dream in which he dreamt he was a child being baptized. From this dream he concludes there is an invisible sky-daddy creator of the universe.

I would conclude, based on this thread, TW left his religion based on emotions and returned to the same for emotional reasons. There still exists no rational reason to believe in such a thing. Some people just need the warm fuzzies to get thru each day. The realization of a cold hard uncaring unconcious universe with no promises of love or everlasting life is a bit much for emotionally weak people to handle. Much like some people cannot handle loneliness and get into unhealthy, unhappy and dangerous relationships rather than be alone.

Are we (or others) going to be treated to the "I used to be an atheist!" line now? Much like Kirk Cameron.

"I used to be an atheist and believed there was no God! Then I stopped my car and prayed......"
"I used to be an atheist and believed there was no God! Then I had a dream....."

Even as an atheist I have stated more than once to others, some people need Jesus. The violent, the lonely, the depressed. Some people just need something to keep them from throwing their arms in the air and saying "I give up!'. If that's what TW needs to keep him going, more power to him. As long as he doesn't attempt to convince others of some kind of underlying external reality to his beliefs and start supporting christianity based legislation there isn't any problem with him creating his own reality within the confines of his own mind.
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