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RE: Jihad v. Crusades
February 26, 2015 at 8:58 pm
(February 26, 2015 at 2:06 am)mralstoner Wrote: Both the Bible and Koran are internally contradictory, but with a crucial difference...
In Christianity, Jesus in the New Testament moderates most of the Old Testament barbarity.
Which Jesus was that?
Matthew 10:34 - "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Luke 16:17 - “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.”
Matthew 5:18-19 - “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Quote:They are polar opposites. One is progressive, the other is regressive. (Relax, I wouldn't call Christianity "progressive" in a normal context, just relative to Islam).
Much of that is because Christianity is older than Islam.
Christianity has spent the last 2 centuries being dragged, kicking and screaming into modernity. There are plenty of Christians that would love to go back to OT laws.
Quote:If one religion wants to behead you, and the other wants to wash your feet, that's kind of a big difference.
Again, you are comparing Christianity as it is in the modern, western world, today, to Muslim extremism. Why don't you compare Christian extremism to Muslim Extremism?
Why not talk about the slaughter, torture and rape of over 200,000 Muslims by Christians in the mid 90's in Bosnia.
Maybe the Christians washed the feet of the Bosnian Muslim women before they raped them?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Jihad v. Crusades
February 26, 2015 at 11:07 pm
(February 26, 2015 at 8:58 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (February 26, 2015 at 2:06 am)mralstoner Wrote: Both the Bible and Koran are internally contradictory, but with a crucial difference...
In Christianity, Jesus in the New Testament moderates most of the Old Testament barbarity.
Which Jesus was that?
Matthew 10:34 - "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Luke 16:17 - “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.”
Matthew 5:18-19 - “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Quote:They are polar opposites. One is progressive, the other is regressive. (Relax, I wouldn't call Christianity "progressive" in a normal context, just relative to Islam).
Much of that is because Christianity is older than Islam.
Christianity has spent the last 2 centuries being dragged, kicking and screaming into modernity. There are plenty of Christians that would love to go back to OT laws.
Quote:If one religion wants to behead you, and the other wants to wash your feet, that's kind of a big difference.
Again, you are comparing Christianity as it is in the modern, western world, today, to Muslim extremism. Why don't you compare Christian extremism to Muslim Extremism?
Why not talk about the slaughter, torture and rape of over 200,000 Muslims by Christians in the mid 90's in Bosnia.
Maybe the Christians washed the feet of the Bosnian Muslim women before they raped them?
You know, when someone somehow draws a comparison between all these persecutions and christianity despite the fact that it sounds ridiculous is really . . . Sad
200000 muslims were killed by christians in Bosnia. I could say millions of christians were killed by atheists under communist states.
But hey, I couldn't say that. Because somehow when I do, atheists are going to say we have nothing to do with that and those atheists are nothing like us
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RE: Jihad v. Crusades
February 27, 2015 at 1:51 am
(This post was last modified: February 27, 2015 at 2:02 am by wiploc.)
(February 25, 2015 at 9:29 pm)mralstoner Wrote: Why would Christians be slaughtering other Christians if this is a religious Crusade?
On one occasion, it was to pay for a boat ride. As in, "Sure, we'll transport you to the holy land, if you'll pay us for wiping out that rival trading center."
During the Children's Crusade, they (Christians) loaded up ships full of child Crusaders, and instead of transporting them to the holy land, they just sailed over to Africa and sold them as slaves. That may not count as "slaughtering other Christians," but it was still pretty Christian.
When the Crusaders conquered Constantinople, you can blame that partly on sectarianism.
(February 26, 2015 at 2:06 am)mralstoner Wrote: If one religion wants to behead you, and the other wants to wash your feet, that's kind of a big difference.
I might be beheaded for coming out in certain Arab countries, but I have no idea where I'd go to get my feet washed. When I came out in Houston, my headlights were smashed, and I had thirteen tires slashed.
(February 26, 2015 at 1:57 am)SeanBean Wrote: Weren't the Byzantines Orthodox and technically heretics?
To call them "heretics" is to take the position that there is a right way to be Christian. It is to say that the Catholics are doing it right, and the Orthodox are doing it wrong. But there's no right way to do a wrong thing. There is no correct interpretation of nonsense and contradictions.
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RE: Jihad v. Crusades
February 27, 2015 at 3:49 am
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RE: Jihad v. Crusades
February 27, 2015 at 5:07 am
Best game ever.
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RE: Jihad v. Crusades
February 27, 2015 at 7:19 am
(February 27, 2015 at 5:07 am)bennyboy Wrote: Best series of games ever.
Fixed it for you 
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
Sith code
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RE: Jihad v. Crusades
February 27, 2015 at 7:27 am
(This post was last modified: February 27, 2015 at 7:28 am by jesus_wept.)
I thought the mods were much better than the proper game, or some of them at least. I can't remember the name of the mods now though, is been too long since I played them.
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RE: Jihad v. Crusades
February 27, 2015 at 7:36 am
(February 26, 2015 at 11:07 pm)Grasshopper Wrote: You know, when someone somehow draws a comparison between all these persecutions and christianity despite the fact that it sounds ridiculous is really . . . Sad
200000 muslims were killed by christians in Bosnia. I could say millions of christians were killed by atheists under communist states.
But hey, I couldn't say that. Because somehow when I do, atheists are going to say we have nothing to do with that and those atheists are nothing like us
No, that's not the argument. Please try again.
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RE: Jihad v. Crusades
February 27, 2015 at 7:42 am
(February 27, 2015 at 7:27 am)jesus_wept Wrote: I thought the mods were much better than the proper game, or some of them at least. I can't remember the name of the mods now though, is been too long since I played them.
The viking invasion expansion for Mtw 1 was epic.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
Sith code
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