Christians Unite

[rexbeccarox]

YES! It is happening!!

[MilesAbbott81]

The context is irrelevant. You said the only true christians are outside of organised religion, meaning that christians in organise religions aren't true christians. That is a fallacy.

No, I am defining true Christians as those who cannot be contradicted by their own book, because the book itself says that there should be no contradiction in the doctrine:

Isaiah 28:10
For it is precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little.

Therefore, until someone can contradict me, by the Scriptures, then it is within my right to make such a claim. If one were to contradict me and I simply continued my assertion without backing it up by the Scriptures, then I would be guilty of the fallacy.

The fallacy does not necessarily need to be used within an argument. It can be a statement in itself. You do not need to present an argument in order to say that there aren't any real/true christians in organised religion and you do not need to present an argument along the statement for it to be fallacious.

Read above. If the book upon which the doctrine is based defines the religion, and one is found to be outside the definition outlined in the book, then one cannot claim to have the true doctrine.

If you are contradicted, then you don't have the truth, therefore you can't be a true representative of that truth.

I happened to come back here, and see that Miles did not like my answer back a few pages.
If we take the Young's expository definition of Ages, and the understanding of Miles, perhaps we also ought to take what the bible says about the Age to Come- An age without end.
We are in the conclusion of the Church Age, immediately ahead, is the millennium Age or the Age of Messiah.
After that is the Eternal Age.
Hang around long enough and you end up there.

I don't dispute this, though it is actually disputable. According to the language itself, the age to come isn't necessarily eternal. I believe it is, but I can't back up the claim by the Scriptures, and neither can you.

What I stated was that the AC and FP will have the "Forever" trip.
I can't state that for the rest of the wicked. I do not know (not really my issue).

When the apostle said that all die in Adam and all live in Christ- one must actually BE in Christ for that to happen.

Your argument doesn't make sense. For one, why would the antichrist and false prophet (assuming they are even specific people) not suffer the same fate as all those outside the gate described in Revelation 22:15? You assume they suffer separate fates based on ignorance you yourself admit.

Second, I don't deny that one must be in Christ to live, but that isn't the point. The Scripture says that as in Adam all died, so in Christ all will be made alive. "Will" applies to "all," and obviously so.

There are plenty of other Scriptures pointing to the salvation of all men:

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

If God is willing that something should happen, why would it not be accomplished? Is He somehow unable to save all men?

2 Philippians 2:10-11
...that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

What about "every knee" excludes anyone at all? Why would someone suffering in flames be bending their knee?

This next verse is a favorite of mine:

Colossians 1:19-20
For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell, and, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself, by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth or in heaven.

There are even more, but I see no point in going any further. You are in contradiction.

When it says the beast (Obama) deceives (coming to a world system near you) the whole world-it, in context with the rest of the bible, means those whose allegiance, and whose dwelling is in the System and NOT in Christ.

Talk about radical conjecture! So you've received revelation that Obama is the antichrist?

The great Prostitute (In whom was found the blood of the saints) is Roman Catholicism, which has done exactly that, and could be included in as a daughter of the initial Babylon and pagan systems from Day one.
Either way, Rome is IT and this pope (the final one) is going down with the ship.

There is plenty of reason to say that the Protestant church is the daughter, seeing as how it sprang literally from the RCC. There is little to no reason to think that the pagan systems have anything at all to do with being part of the harlot; it is to those systems which the harlot prostituted herself originally. The book of Hosea outlines this rather explicitly, and I believe there is more reference to this in Jeremiah and Ezekiel, though I'd have to do some digging there to confirm.

Miles, I perceive you have a Titanic load of pride- the very thing God resists.
The call has gone out to repent before the ship of Noah II is boarded.
We are going to see who has heeded that call.

You perceive incorrectly, and worse, you accuse the brethren. If I boast of anything, it is in the Lord, therefore I am justified:

Jeremiah 9:24
...but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the LORD who exercises lovingkindness, justice and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things," declares the LORD.

You mistake conviction of belief and knowledge of the Lord for pride, judging by the appearance.

[professor]

Miles, how interesting that you stumble over the same concept as the atheists here.
The idea that because God does not desire any to be lost is equivalent to Him making some provision for their salvation,
even against their own will in some cases is ludicrous.

Every tongue is going to bow.
You were given the locations of those tongues also-
Under the earth is one of them, and includes all the Satanic fallen angels and demons.
It will not be voluntary for them.
Rome is an offshoot of the paganism that preceded it- Babylon, thus it is called that.

The Antichrist?
Yes, I could describe it as revelation, seeing that the a majority of Christians actually voted for him, (going diametrically against core Christian values he opposes), it would not be unkind to state they are blind.
Anyone who sees would be considered in a revelatory mode.
I posted here extensively on him, what I did not include are the dozen or so Christians I am aware of who, after inquiring of the Lord about him, have had visions or dreams confirming his status.
You can do the same if you choose.

[MilesAbbott81]

Miles, how interesting that you stumble over the same concept as the atheists here.
The idea that because God does not desire any to be lost is equivalent to Him making some provision for their salvation,
even against their own will in some cases is ludicrous.

Why is it ludicrous? Is it not without precedent? Jonah literally fled the country when the Lord called on him. Everyone comes to Christ not of their own will; otherwise, we would be our own saviors.

John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

People who feel they are saved by their own actions have never been saved. What they are doing is forming Jesus Christ into an idol that serves them, taking His name in vain.

Every tongue is going to bow.
You were given the locations of those tongues also-
Under the earth is one of them, and includes all the Satanic fallen angels and demons.
It will not be voluntary for them.
Rome is an offshoot of the paganism that preceded it- Babylon, thus it is called that.

What we are given in those things "under the earth" is simply more confirmation that God saves those in Sheol, even as Jonah was saved:

Jonah 2:2
...From the depths of Sheol I called for help, and you listened to my cry..."
2:6
To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. But you brought my life up from the pit, O Lord my God.

And why would they be on bended knee, otherwise? Why worship one who condemns you, eternally no less? Does the Bible not teach us that the Lord is with us, even in Sheol?

Psalm 139:8
If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.

You failed to address the other Scriptures as well.

The RCC is not an offshoot of paganism, it simply incorporates pagan ideas, such as the trinity, eternal damnation, and Sunday worship. That is because it is the harlot, taking the doctrines of men into herself:

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The RCC and Protestant churches really do not differ so much. While there are certainly things the RCC does that are blatantly against God's laws, the Protestant church shares most of the same doctrine, including that of pagan origin, which I mentioned in the previous point.

The Antichrist? Yes, I could describe it as revelation, seeing that the a majority of Christians actually voted for him, (going diametrically against core Christian values he opposes), it would not be unkind to state they are blind.Anyone who sees would be considered in a revelatory mode.
I posted here extensively on him, what I did not include are the dozen or so Christians I am aware of who, after inquiring of the Lord about him, have had visions or dreams confirming his status.
You can do the same if you choose.

Very well. I can't discount revelations I haven't examined.

[professor]

The concept of "Choose this day who you will serve" is repeated thru the entire bible.
The atheists (and apparently yourself) continually shift that responsibility onto God.
This is my last post on this thread.

[Pizza]

BOO!

It's funny how Christian members on this forum will argue ad nauseum with atheists but not with other Christians. You'd think it would be easier to argue a Christian to another Christian view. Guess not.

[MilesAbbott81]

BOO!

It's funny how Christian members on this forum will argue ad nauseum with atheists but not with other Christians. You'd think it would be easier to argue a Christian to another Christian view. Guess not.

Well, what could he say when confronted with the Truth? Much easier to walk away.

[TubbyTubby]

YES! It is happening!!

I am the prophet Tubby. I now prophesise that GC knows the absolute truth and will reveal it forthwith to these naysayers.

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There are a couple of problems with your assessment.

For one, you lump me in with those who are divided into these "40,000" sects.

I'm afraid not brother Miles, you are simply sect number 40,001. Don't be offended, I like your sect.

Beware though, Godschild (SN 40,002) will be along soon and he will try to crush SN 40,001 with his satanic verse.

[MilesAbbott81]

I'm afraid not brother Miles, you are simply sect number 40,001. Don't be offended, I like your sect.

Beware though, Godschild (SN 40,002) will be along soon and he will try to crush SN 40,001 with his satanic verse.

I understand your point, and I should probably say that it's reasonable, because we are in agreement.

40,000 sects is simply proof that nominal Christendom is deceived, as the Bible declares. The apostle Paul wrote:

1 Corinthians 1:10
I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.

He wrote this in response to the church in Corinth, which was creating sects. Some said they followed Paul, some Apollos, and some Cephas. He also says:

1 Corinthians 1:13
Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?

It is these sects today who add fuel to arguments such as yours that say the entire religion is baseless. Why should any of you believe in Christianity, based on the example set by it? It's pure confusion, contradiction and hypocrisy.

Atheists actually get far more correct than many (if not most) of those in nominal Christendom.

[TubbyTubby]

It is these sects today who add fuel to arguments such as yours that say the entire religion is baseless. Why should any of you believe in Christianity, based on the example set by it? It's pure confusion, contradiction and hypocrisy.

Exactly, so tell me, why do you believe in SN 40,001?