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Are you an Islamophobe?
#31
RE: Are you an Islamophobe?
First of all the author of the page is wrong on many issues in his Wiki page. Point one: (Islam is seen as a monolithic bloc, static and unresponsive to change. ) A culture does need adapt to the world around it, Islam as changed in many ways over the years; it's when the people practicing it uses a different method of using it for personal gain. In which many countries have done that.
Point twoSadIslam is seen as separate and "other." It does not have values in common with other cultures, is not affected by them and does not influence them.)
They have values in common with many cultures, they use mind control and keep there people from thinking, a common practice with other religions.
Point three(Islam is seen as inferior to the West. It is seen as barbaric, irrational, primitive, and sexist.
Being barbaric as many meanings; physical, mental, financial, and authoritarians. I find the military and what they do people striping away there individuality to be barbaric. Irrational describes any person who thinks there a man or woman in the sky watching down upon them or a person down below looking up at them is irrational. They are somewhat primitive in the ways there society works, they have many upon many social issues; but, what society does not? Americans lock up there people for money for a $30 dollar bag of weed! That is just pitiful and sad, we can't put rich people in prison for major financial crimes but we put poor and middle class people in prison for bullshit. Now that is what I call primitive! Treating a woman like a possession is wrong, a woman and man are people who are neither superior to one a other; one having different sex organs means nothing in general everyday life. You can't tell a other grown adult what they can were in everyday life and what is wrong for them to do.
Point FourSadIslam is seen as a political ideology, used for political or military advantage.) Any religion can be used for this, I don't see the rest of the world attacking radicals who use a religion for these kind of actives. Seems the Muslims are the odd man out in this century.
Point FiveSadCriticisms made of 'the West' by Islam are rejected out of hand. ) The world of eastern and western philosophy have always criticized each other. This not a new concept by any means, if we still value history at all; this would not be point at all.
Point sixSadHostility towards Islam is used to justify discriminatory practices towards Muslims and exclusion of Muslims from mainstream society.) The west as been doing this for centuries to other countries and cultures. It has been proven over the years that disfranchising a people only makes the people being disfranchised hateful and bitter to it's oppressors. So, it was only natural that the Muslims struck back at centuries of oppression by America.
Point sixSadAnti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural and normal. ) This point does hold it's ground, it's not a problem to have hostility. (E.g Clowns; If you were scared of clowns when you were little it's normal to be scared of them as an adult.) There's difference though between normal and violent actions to those you don't like. It's when you keep poking the dog, eventuality the dog will bite your hand. Same with people and groups. if one culture keeps poking away at them they will strike back.

So, I like to think I am not a Islamophobe.
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#32
RE: Are you an Islamophobe?
Are you a pig-headed, religion-enabling, co-exist-fetishistic demagogue?

You might be if you agree with one of the following:

1. You think "Islam" is a race.

2. You are fine with criticizing other religions but the minute Islam is criticized, you automatically shout down the critic as a "bigot".

3. You think religion is never, ever to blame for anything done in its name. We're not talking about a nuanced view where multiple factors are considered for a given sectarian atrocity. We're talking about complete absolution of religion. There are no examples in history where sectarian violence should ever be attributed to religion. It's always due to some other cause or simply due to the vague cause of "bad people". Anyone who says otherwise is a "bigot".

4. When people are either killed or have to hide due to death threats because of the crime of "blasphemy", you suggest that it's the fault of the "blasphemer" for not being more sensitive to religious feelings and for "abusing" the right of free speech.

5. You want to censor speech and jail critics of religion in the name of sensitivity to religion.

6. You think making fun of or criticizing Islam is the same thing as calling for the persecution of Muslims everywhere and draw an allusion to white supremacist anti-Semites.

7. You straw man any critic of religion as one who believes that religion is "always" to blame for everything and you continue using that straw man even after being corrected.

8. You think that cultures which kill gay people and treat women as chattel are equal to cultures that seek to protect the rights of both groups.
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#33
RE: Are you an Islamophobe?
(March 12, 2015 at 6:03 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Are you a pig-headed, religion-enabling, co-exist-fetishistic demagogue?

You might be if you agree with one of the following:

1. You think "Islam" is a race.

2. You are fine with criticizing other religions but the minute Islam is criticized, you automatically shout down the critic as a "bigot".

3. You think religion is never, ever to blame for anything done in its name. We're not talking about a nuanced view where multiple factors are considered for a given sectarian atrocity. We're talking about complete absolution of religion. There are no examples in history where sectarian violence should ever be attributed to religion. It's always due to some other cause or simply due to the vague cause of "bad people". Anyone who says otherwise is a "bigot".

4. When people are either killed or have to hide due to death threats because of the crime of "blasphemy", you suggest that it's the fault of the "blasphemer" for not being more sensitive to religious feelings and for "abusing" the right of free speech.

5. You want to censor speech and jail critics of religion in the name of sensitivity to religion.

6. You think making fun of or criticizing Islam is the same thing as calling for the persecution of Muslims everywhere and draw an allusion to white supremacist anti-Semites.

7. You straw man any critic of religion as one who believes that religion is "always" to blame for everything and you continue using that straw man even after being corrected.

8. You think that cultures which kill gay people and treat women as chattel are equal to cultures that seek to protect the rights of both groups.
I really hate to say this on AF but that is the left wing liberal speech about Islam
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#34
RE: Are you an Islamophobe?
I am an Islamophobe then and I'm Muslim!
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#35
RE: Are you an Islamophobe?
Hi Irrational, I thought to try to convey some impact by the word hell.
Dystopia, of course Rationalwiki uses some real statements to justify the whole spiel.

The object is to marginalize all objection to Islam, but one should ask "Why".
Why would anyone object to a rabid dog for a neighbor's pet?
Perhaps there is a plan to use the dog.
Albert Pike (patron saint of Masonry) intended 3 great wars, the last one with the Muslims.
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#36
RE: Are you an Islamophobe?
What the fuck do I have to fear from a belief?

It's the extremest, violent followers of said belief that scare the shit out of me.
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#37
RE: Are you an Islamophobe?
(March 12, 2015 at 8:10 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: What the fuck do I have to fear from a belief?

It's the extremest, violent followers of said belief that scare the shit out of me.
Indeed. But followers are motivated by said belief. The two are inseparable.

The OP was meant to question if Islamophobes are really Islamophobes or just critics of Islam.
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#38
RE: Are you an Islamophobe?
(March 12, 2015 at 11:09 am)Dystopia Wrote: It's just their religion I don't like much. Sometimes that is wrongly confused with hatred for people when it's just hatred for the idea.

Even if you hated the belief and every one of it's adherents to the point of wishing them dead, that would still not be Islamophobia nor would it make you an Islamophobe.

Phobias are fears, not hatreds!
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#39
RE: Are you an Islamophobe?
(March 12, 2015 at 8:15 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:
(March 12, 2015 at 11:09 am)Dystopia Wrote: It's just their religion I don't like much. Sometimes that is wrongly confused with hatred for people when it's just hatred for the idea.

Even if you hated the belief and every one of it's adherents to the point of wishing them dead, that would still not be Islamophobia nor would it make you an Islamophobe.

Phobias are fears, not hatreds!

Oh, I see what you did here... Well, to be honest homophobia is also not an accurate word as well because it usually means hatred (not fear) of homosexuals (even though some people may be afraid of gays).

Still, I am afraid of Islamic terrorism. Sometimes when I'm on a train ride I wonder if it's going to blow. I sometimes mentally conceive my testament/will just in case I die.
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#40
RE: Are you an Islamophobe?
(March 12, 2015 at 8:20 pm)Dystopia Wrote:
(March 12, 2015 at 8:15 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Even if you hated the belief and every one of it's adherents to the point of wishing them dead, that would still not be Islamophobia nor would it make you an Islamophobe.

Phobias are fears, not hatreds!

Oh, I see what you did here... Well, to be honest homophobia is also not an accurate word as well because it usually means hatred (not fear) of homosexuals (even though some people may be afraid of gays).

Still, I am afraid of Islamic terrorism. Sometimes when I'm on a train ride I wonder if it's going to blow. I sometimes mentally conceive my testament/will just in case I die.

Yeah, homophobe is another one. Still, at least people who are afraid of gays are not being accused of being afraid of an idea, and there are people who are genuinely afraid of gays.

To say you're afraid of Islamic terrorism isn't bigotry or even a phobia (irrational fear) but simply rational. To be afraid of an idea would be a phobia, but since the idea (Islam) and those who seek to do harm in it's name (terrorists) can be separated I see no reason to accept a label which is completely wrong.

Add to that, I don't hate Islam in any way, or even the terrorists on any personal level (I hate what they stand for, what they do and the methods that they use). I cannot hate what I do not know.

No, I do not consider myself an Islamophobe in any sense, even though I find the beliefs repugnant as I do the people who carry out atrocities in the name of said beliefs.
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