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Existence: What the fuck is going on?
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Existence: What the fuck is going on?
It seems as though the more time that slips from under my feet, the more fragile I feel, everything saturated by the realization that I am either incredibly blessed or lucky---to no credit of my own---and that this blessed luck is bound to eventually burn out. My life is consumed by the thought of tomorrow, for at the moment I decide to reflect on today, all I can see is yesterday. What am I? Who am I? Where am I? Why do I find my feet on this dirt at this precise time in the history of the world? I look at my cats, the other organisms around me: what do they perceive? What do they think? I read the ancient poets and philosophers, and each, from the Sumerians to the Greeks, from the Persians to the Europeans of the enlightenment, has its distinctive voices that sing one harmony: the comical and tragic cruelty of man's plight, his futile search to find solid ground upon which to lay his head. True, many find the semblance of it in one form or another, be it wine, philosophy, science, philanthropy, and a million other tasks that humans set themselves upon in the name of higher purpose, whether that be identified as sensual pleasure, reclusive retreat, a life of virtue, or any other manner of living a person finds suitable. For myself though, I feel that the truth will set me free... yet what is the truth, and why does it matter? Is the idea of truth and/or my obligation to it confined to the illusion that makes up the better part of my human experience?

What does it mean to exist? Nothing is static... except for that class of abstractions we designate laws and principles. Everything else is constantly in flux. The moment I say "that _____," it has already changed in time and in space. I am changing, aging, hurled along in orbit around the Sun for which I can only hope to make the journey another 50 or so times (as I would then be approaching 80), hurled through these dimensions like in a dream, the images of the past still in my mushy lump of tissue as sights and sounds that I once lived... they were real. But what are they now? Are thoughts real? Do they exist? It seems impossible to deny. But how do they exist? How does the world of solid objects with definite properties throughout this eternal succession of change exist in contrast to the world of infinitesimally small particles separated by relatively great amounts of space, though these are "simply" manifestations of energy fields dancing a reactionary tango according to universal laws that evolved, apparently, as a result of more basic laws, or perhaps a chaotic lottery, itself something of a law for potentiality; that potentiality itself only self-recognized NOW, as everything that ever happens happens now. What does it mean to say that anything around us, or in us, as it appears either to perception or conception, exists?

I don't find reality simply breathtaking and mindbogglingly messed up. I also find it terrifying. I came from nothing and to nothing I shall return, and everything around me that I can identify also appears to be nothing, for a moment later it is something slightly different, and that as well, et cetera ad infinitum. Ah, infinity. Like nothing...but everything. I see colors, smell perfumes, enjoy life immensely... but soon, and I mean soon, it will be gone. I will be gone. And none of it will ever be again within my purview of experience. Once dead, always dead. Perhaps not, and I can't say I'd necessarily mind waking up at some point in the future, but then again, I'm one of the privileged ones and I don't doubt many would find my wishes quite disagreeable. On top of that, what would it mean to be resurrected? How could I be "me"? Are we to believe that we, as conceived individual selves, lacked any existence for eternity, or that we wake up again and again in the now but without memory?

So, I presume my mind will dissolve forever and my atoms will return to the eco-system from which they came to be recycled as other products of the environment seen through the eyes and brain of... a worm, rat, a bird, or perhaps another person like me, thinking, "What the fuck is going on?"
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: Existence: What the fuck is going on?
I think you need a beer.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.




 








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RE: Existence: What the fuck is going on?
I'd say that anyone who approaches philosophy with any other attitude than the OP shows doesn't really get what it means to be a philosopher. Good stuff.

I like the Buddhist response to all this: acceptance. Accept the futility and absurdity of your existence. Call it the impermanent dream it is, and don't demand that it must make sense. It's ironic that thinking and logic have as their goal making sense of the chaos, but that the most logical view is still that existence is nonsensical madness, full of paradox, ambiguity and inconsistency.
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I get the "What the fuck?" feeling as well whenever I deeply contemplate my existence, but it is often accompanied with a dazed giddy feeling sort of like "It's real, I REALLY do exist!", and it scares me even more.
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RE: Existence: What the fuck is going on?
Isaac Newton Wrote:I was like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.

Seriously, what is the deal with existence Smile

I think your thoughts are the starting point of an interesting journey.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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RE: Existence: What the fuck is going on?
(March 27, 2015 at 8:00 am)Alex K Wrote:
Isaac Newton Wrote:I was like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.

Seriously, what is the deal with existence Smile

I think your thoughts are the starting point of an interesting journey.
When faced with the (I find trivial) question of, "Why is there something rather than nothing."
I answer, "Why not?"
It's economical.
But please feel free to enjoy the journey of exploration of your choice. It's on me.Confused Fall

(March 27, 2015 at 6:02 am)bennyboy Wrote: I'd say that anyone who approaches philosophy with any other attitude than the OP shows doesn't really get what it means to be a philosopher. Good stuff.

I like the Buddhist response to all this: acceptance. Accept the futility and absurdity of your existence. Call it the impermanent dream it is, and don't demand that it must make sense. It's ironic that thinking and logic have as their goal making sense of the chaos, but that the most logical view is still that existence is nonsensical madness, full of paradox, ambiguity and inconsistency.

Me too.
Particularly my distillation of Zen:
'Life is suffering. Try not to think about it too much.'

But I embrace the painful condition and find the universe far too entertaining to practice any discipline that wants to empty my mind. Suffering lets you know you're alive.
Kurt Vonnegut Wrote:The only way I can feel the least bit important is to
think of all the mud that didn't even get to sit up and
look around.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? Huh
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Part of his kind of reminds me of the other night when I was trying to wrap my brain around just what exactly the present is. I mean, I understand the past and the future, as they appear to be clearly defined, but every attempt to pinpoint just what the present is kept slipping into the past!

(March 27, 2015 at 6:02 am)bennyboy Wrote: I like the Buddhist response to all this: acceptance. Accept the futility and absurdity of your existence. Call it the impermanent dream it is, and don't demand that it must make sense. It's ironic that thinking and logic have as their goal making sense of the chaos, but that the most logical view is still that existence is nonsensical madness, full of paradox, ambiguity and inconsistency.

I wholeheartedly agree. It's as if the search for knowledge cannot properly begin until one accepts that it is an absurd endeavor.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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(March 27, 2015 at 11:46 am)Faith No More Wrote: Part of his kind of reminds me of the other night when I was trying to wrap my brain around just what exactly the present is. I mean, I understand the past and the future, as they appear to be clearly defined, but every attempt to pinpoint just what the present is kept slipping into the past!
It gets worse....always.
We each of us have special circuitry that tries to keep now current. Because of the propagation delays in nerves, a simultaneous stimulus that occurs on your neck arrives sooner than one from your foot by an interval that would be significant given the processing speeds our wetware. The cerebellum serves as a bunch of programmable delay lines to coordinate the process so that discovering now is less of a problem.
So is now the same for your foot as your head? Or is this an illusion maintained to keep us upright. Degradation in coordination functions are part of the suite of delightful changes that make us more clumsy and accident prone in old age.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? Huh
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"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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