Wearing a crucifix

[allan175]

In a sense it kinda makes that same, "I'm a rebel" statement I've always made.

Haha......That sort of "I'm a rebel" thing always makes me laugh.

For example the current "goth" fashion and when goth is interviewed "We just want to express our individualness.". And I'm not singling them out, all "fasionable" groups are the same.

[Edwardo Piet]

In a sense it kinda makes that same, "I'm a rebel" statement I've always made.

Haha......That sort of "I'm a rebel" thing always makes me laugh.

For example the current "goth" fashion and when goth is interviewed "We just want to express our individualness.". And I'm not singling them out, all "fasionable" groups are the same.

Yes and what I find particularly amusing is that "non-conformists" DO conform. They conform with other non-conformists. They get together because they all apparently "don't conform". But they do. With each other.
I find it funny that joke in a south park episode when a group of Goths that are self described "non-conformists" refuse to help out because it would be "conformist" to do so...except one who says, and I paraphrase: "I'm so non-conformist I'm going to not conform with you guys and I'm going to go ahead and do it." to which they replied with something like "He sure showed us".

[Kyuuketsuki]

In a sense it kinda makes that same, "I'm a rebel" statement I've always made.

Haha......That sort of "I'm a rebel" thing always makes me laugh.

Individual then but the point remains that people can use fashion (not high fashion I suppose but different fashion) to express whatever they happen to feel is worth expressing about their character.

For example the current "goth" fashion and when goth is interviewed "We just want to express our individualness.". And I'm not singling them out, all "fasionable" groups are the same.

Goth? Current? Get outta here! Goth's have been going for 10, 15 years ... maybe more. [nu]Metal heads like me are regarded by them as cheap copies but that's fine ... I still like their women.

I think it would be fair to say that most fashion styles are about group identity but some people tend to pick and choose what they want from various styles and those (in fashion terms) could be regarded as being a bit more individual.

What I will say (and some here may find this contentious, certainly I don't think it's in any way provable) is that people that are into rock music (and I would presume Indie though that's not really my thing) tend, as far as I can tell, to have a fairly intelligent & anti-authority outlook on life whereas the clubbing scene is much more inclusive ... seems to me a bit like the difference between soaps and real drama. That's not (can't be) any kind of rule but it is my experience so far and my best guess is that whilst there are commercial offerings rock/indie music tends more towards protest & non-conformism and, like them or not, rock/metal bands nearly always play their own instruments, write their own songs and have fairly intelligent lyrics.

This could be a separate thread entirely.

Kyu

[allan175]

For example the current "goth" fashion and when goth is interviewed "We just want to express our individualness.". And I'm not singling them out, all "fasionable" groups are the same.

Goth? Current? Get outta here! Goth's have been going for 10, 15 years ... maybe more. [nu]Metal heads like me are regarded by them as cheap copies but that's fine ... I still like their women.

Sorry, yes, I didn't mean to imply the whole goth look was new, I just mean the fact that there seem to be loads of them about at the moment (because it is currently fashionable).

[Kyuuketsuki]

Sorry, yes, I didn't mean to imply the whole goth look was new, I just mean the fact that there seem to be loads of them about at the moment (because it is currently fashionable).

If it is I hadn't noticed ... I mean there are other genres (is that the right word?) that look a bit Goth-ish such as Punk, Emo, Metal, Biker & even some Indie's that people might confuse for Goth. As far as I know Goth is a very specific, Victorian almost vampiric look and I genuinely haven't seen many of them around. Just to give an example (me ) although I borrow bits 'n pieces from the Goth look I also borrow from Punk, Emo, Military and others and I have been told I'm a Goth and I assure you I most definitely am not, if anything I identify with Nu-Metal bands and then not all that much ... seems to me that shows just how much the general public knows about what is and what is not Goth.

Talking to one Goth on the net I asked what one was and he said Goths were "Seekers after truth" ... me? I couldn't stop laughing and told him so,.

Kyu

[leo-rcc]

I find it amusing that Goth as a genre is quite dark, while Goth architecture is about light, and lots of it.

[allan175]

Sorry, yes, I didn't mean to imply the whole goth look was new, I just mean the fact that there seem to be loads of them about at the moment (because it is currently fashionable).

If it is I hadn't noticed ... snip..

More than likely me just getting various similar groups mixed up. I don't pay that much attention to clothes etc at the best of times.

[Edwardo Piet]

What I will say (and some here may find this contentious, certainly I don't think it's in any way provable) is that people that are into rock music (and I would presume Indie though that's not really my thing) tend, as far as I can tell, to have a fairly intelligent & anti-authority outlook on life whereas the clubbing scene is much more inclusive ... seems to me a bit like the difference between soaps and real drama. That's not (can't be) any kind of rule but it is my experience so far and my best guess is that whilst there are commercial offerings rock/indie music tends more towards protest & non-conformism and, like them or not, rock/metal bands nearly always play their own instruments, write their own songs and have fairly intelligent lyrics.

This could be a separate thread entirely.

Kyu

Well, it at least wouldn't apply to me.
I mostly like elecronica. But my favourite band by far, that ended in 2004 is 'Orbital'. Although described as an electronica band. They also do film soundtracks. And they have done clubbier stuff aswell. And they have done more punkier electronica. They are ex-punks and when they went on TOTP wearing anti-poll tax T-shirts.
And I quote from here, http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/orbital/artist.jhtml
"Halcyon + On + On" was in fact a response to the drug used for seven years by the Hartnolls' own mother -- but Snivilisation pushed Orbital into the much more active world of political protest. It focused on the Criminal Justice Bill of 1994, which gave police greater legal action both to break up raves and prosecute the promoters and participants. The wide variety of styles signalled that this was Orbital's most accomplished work. Snivilisation also became the duo's biggest hit, reaching number four in Great Britain's album charts."
So I certainly think that the ex-punk brothers Paul and Phil Hartnoll that were orbital did their bit in challenging politics and authority. For the electronica pioneers that they were. As Orbital. I certainly don't conform myself either, and I'm a really big fan.
Also, I'd say the more underground club scene and the rave scene are at least rebellious when it comes to having freedom. That's what I think. And this is how I am. Evidently.

[Jason Jarred]

I'm also curious how wearing a crucifix is 'fashionable'. Seems like a silly fashion choice to me, perhaps one made out of ignorance of the issues that exist with religion and their impact on society.

Hmmmm fashion.
I have a couple different looks I go for. Ranging in extremes from a more 'good boy' look (white pants with a trendy one piece vest, no sleeves and showing some arm flesh ) to something a bit more hardcore - 10cm leather wrist cuff, New Rock boots (I just bought these in fact, they are so damn beautiful) skinny leg jeans, black tight fitted T-shirt.
Apart from that, lounging around the house in nothing but my old cotton corduroy shorts and "smelling like nerd" as my partner continually reminds me. Ok fine, I'll have my weekly shower.

[MerrieMelodyxx]

I'm a t-shirt and jeans sort of girl. Comes from growing up out in the country, I suppose. The women I work with are attempting to update me. They're failing horribly.

And Jason -- smelling like nerd is the best thing ever. I salute you on your commitment to a weekly shower whether you need it or not.