Moral Compass

[Chad32]

 And what truly turned my stomach was hearing my dad proudly claim, almost in the same breath, that he WOULD MURDER AND RAPE if commanded by god, because god is just and moral, and thus god would have a just and moral reason for such a command.

It boggles the mind that anyone would think like this, while acting like they have moral superiority. Like Aron Ra once said, religion reverses everything.

[Simon Moon]

One atheist dogma is to expect physical evidence about something that may not be physical like an hypothetical God.

Sorry, but if you are claiming that your god manifests in any way in the physical universe, like: miracles, communicating with humans, inspiring ancient books to be written, answering prayers, intervening on behalf of certain humans, etc, then those effects on the natural universe would be physical evidence for the existence of a god.

If you believe your god communicates with you, you are claiming to be a 'god detector', and that, by definition is a phenomena that is effecting the natural universe and open for scientific inquiry.

One more atheist dogma is to expect an hypothetical God to show up to someone (an atheist) that is not interested in knowing Him.

Why wouldn't he? 

A hypothetical god would know that I am a naturally inquisitive person, with a strong desire to understand the truth of reality, that my mind is open, and that I would accept his existence if he did show himself to me. And he would know exactly what he needed to do for me to believe he existed.

Why would he make the process to 'know him' look identical to gullibility?

[Little Rik]

One atheist dogma is to expect physical evidence about something that may not be physical like an hypothetical God.

Sorry, but if you are claiming that your god manifests in any way in the physical universe, like: miracles, communicating with humans, inspiring ancient books to be written, answering prayers, intervening on behalf of certain humans, etc, then those effects on the natural universe would be physical evidence for the existence of a god.

This is what most religions believe.
I don't really believe in miracles and sort.
I believe that we build the consciousness with a lot of hard work.
As i already said in previous posts a good father is not going to do the
homework for his son.
In this way the son will never learn a thing.

If you believe your god communicates with you, you are claiming to be a 'god detector', and that, by definition is a phenomena that is effecting the natural universe and open for scientific inquiry.

You got it wrong.
In yoga you are discovering that you are God.
As your consciousness get bigger and bigger you realize who
you really are so is not a question that God communicate with you.
If that would be the case there would be two entity, you and God when in reality
there is only one entity. 
In yoga the mantra sound although is different from person to person mean the same thing.
It means.....i am that entity (God)
The physical science can not in any way cross the border in which exist and penetrate the realm of spirituality so no.
Scientific inquiry can only inquire in the physical realm. 

One more atheist dogma is to expect an hypothetical God to show up to someone (an atheist) that is not interested in knowing Him.

Why wouldn't he? 

A hypothetical god would know that I am a naturally inquisitive person, with a strong desire to understand the truth of reality, that my mind is open, and that I would accept his existence if he did show himself to me. And he would know exactly what he needed to do for me to believe he existed.

Why would he make the process to 'know him' look identical to gullibility?

Humans can not keep the feet or the mind in two different places at the same time.
How can you be in London and Sydney at the same time?
How can you believe in materialism and spirituality at the same time?
Impossible.
Suppose that you are a materialist 50%, and an intellectual 49% and the 1% left is just curiosity about spirituality.
Why God would manifest in you when your interest in Him is so tiny?
This is just an example as i don't really know where your thoughts are but i hope you understand how the system
works. 

[Chad32]

We are told that he wants everyone to have a relationship with him. Most Humans on the planet don't even know he exists. That makes him a failure in what he wants to accomplish. How could I be more interested in him than I am now, if he doesn't seem any more real than Dionysus?

[Little Rik]

We are told that he wants everyone to have a relationship with him. Most Humans on the planet don't even know he exists. That makes him a failure in what he wants to accomplish. How could I be more interested in him than I am now, if he doesn't seem any more real than Dionysus?

According to yoga the universe is just a mental projection of the cosmic consciousness (God) so in this mind there can be as much space as he so wish.
And the time clock in as the space is created.
So is not a question to have a schedule in which God has got to fix this or that problem within a certain time and make himself known to this or that person that he exist.
As the time passes his creation move from small consciousness to big consciousness.
God doesn't push anyone to believe in him.
When the time is ripe for someone to desire to know him he will reciprocate.
Reincarnation is there to turn small consciousness into big consciousness.
There is no hurry.
He doesn't hurry anyone.
The consciousness never die so if someone is not ready or not interested in knowing him he will be reborn again and again in this or in any other planet of this vast universe.
In this vast universe there are countless planets in which people can live so even if this planet one day will die people consciousness will take an other body in a different planet.
Space is not a problem.
Time is not a problem.
Time to know him is not a problem to him but is a big problem for the person that waste his-her time chasing dreams and in this way chain him-herself 
again and again inside a body. 


Please note that i said......ACCORDING TO YOGA.....and not.....this is how it is because i say so. 

 

[Foxaèr]

Please note that i said......ACCORDING TO YOGA.....and not.....this is how it is because i say so. 

 

First and foremost, FUCK YOU.

You are not allowed to decide how we live because you are disiliuiosned be your silly beliefs that cannot surprass any rational ingenuity.

[downbeatplumb]

what are you talking about?

I thought you knew the story about the MANNA.
When the Israelites left Egypt and wander through the desert they were sort of starving so they complained with Moses (their leader).
The Lord told Moses that He would “rain bread from heaven” for them...........and bread fall from the sky according to the legend.
They called this food the MANNA.
Now i just wanted to show you that the atheist expectation that the consciousness that human being got according to you is like the MANNA
or a miracle that fall on us human being.
Unfortunately the life teach us that everything that we got has been conquered with hard work.
Nothing come for free so to believe that we never existed before and not having been through so many reincarnation in order to achieve this consciousness is none but a dogma.

You have posted nothing to support that rather silly assertion so I can comfortably answer that it is just plain wrong.
Now I could post lots of articles where the workings of the brain have been studied in detail but you haven't bothered to post anything so neither will I.
Its Easter and I have better things to do.

[robvalue]

Yoga to be kidding me! Manna live!

[Chad32]

Maybe if I was less busy down here, I'd have more time to worry about gods and what they want me to do with my life. Especially gos that reckon time differently than I do.

[comet]

Skip to the TL;DR if ya want, inc wall of text thingy:

Hello all, first post. Please excuse how chopped up this is written.

I've been awfully silent about my atheism with my religious parents and family, but seeing as I still rent out at home, the subject invariably comes up a lot. Recently I've been voicing myself, and I keep proving myself to not be a strong debater. Not that the odds are against me at all.

It's me, a 21 year old, vs, on average, 46-50 year-olds with more than double the experience than I in their particular religion. I've read the bible through and through plenty of times, but I haven't got a shred of it memorized, and I don't give it much of a passing thought now that I've cast off the veil of superstition.

In any case, my parents hold a bible meeting every Thursday night. I never give it a second thought, as most of the time they speak of rather harmless subjects, but tonight I overhead something that just made me feel sick. I so so so so very want to burst into the living room where the meeting is held and debunk every last stream of words coming out of their mouths. I KNOW what they're saying is wrong and disturbing on so many levels. I want to give them examples as to why this is. But knowing me and my social awkwardness, I'll make a fool of myself in an inevitable, ugly 7+v1 debate.

Anyhow, my parents were talking about the recent Indiana religious freedom law, and how they supported it. That a man chooses to be gay and that a woman chooses to be lesbian, and that they choose to be like this because they have no real moral compass, because they are an atheist or don't believe in the right god. That without objective morality or a god with which morality comes, they claimed we felt free to do anything we wanted.

My dad proudly declared that the bible was his moral compass, and the rest of the attendees murmured in agreement. They agreed that if there were no god, they would feel free do whatever they want, be it murder, stealing, or raping, without fear of divine eternal punishment. And what truly turned my stomach was hearing my dad proudly claim, almost in the same breath, that he WOULD MURDER AND RAPE if commanded by god, because god is just and moral, and thus god would have a just and moral reason for such a command.

THIS is what makes me sick. Their god is anything BUT the god that they so garishly believe in, and the book they tout as holy and moral is disgusting. No less disgusting as the fact that they interpret it any which way they want, and ignore all the bad little bits. And the worst bit, if one of them so much as hears a voice in their head and think it's god, they'll feel justified in committing something horrible because 'god said so.'

TL;DR
 
And so, I VERY much want to have a conversation with my parents to get across this simple point:

Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you're told.
Religion is doing what you're told, regardless of what is right.

I would very much appreciate some sources covering objective/subjective morality and why god-given 'moral compasses' are disturbing and bullnyerk. 
 

if you can't be honest with your parents about religion because they will toss you ... they are bad parents.
being good is being good.