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RE: God is a Terrorist.
April 6, 2015 at 3:10 pm
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(April 6, 2015 at 3:08 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yeah, God could just give us whatever we want to make us happy and no one suffers ever. Then I'd actually respect him, rather than thinking he is a total wank biscuit. If he feels the need to fuck with us first for his own pleasures, then he has issues.
And remember, I have the bible, the word of God. And he does terrorism. Lots of it. He's not too nice in the quran either.
Attacking the conclusion without the argument and explanation, doesn't make sense. Why don't you address the explanation and justification I presented.
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RE: God is a Terrorist.
April 6, 2015 at 3:10 pm
(April 6, 2015 at 2:55 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: And to add, this meeting of God is even beyond Gabriel who is an instance of the holy spirit, telling Mohammad he cannot step further for he will burn.
(April 6, 2015 at 2:54 pm)Spooky Wrote: ...so it's all a test?
what
Yes he created the test so that he can bestow his grace through patience, striving hard, humbleness, and tranquility.
And so that his friends can battle for good and that God may help who helps him, thereby purifying them and completing his favor upon them. (emphasis is mine)
Are you really describing an omniscient god that is less than all knowing?
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RE: God is a Terrorist.
April 6, 2015 at 3:12 pm
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Uhm... No offense, but your argument is just a massive excuse for God to behave like a douche bag for no reason. If he wants us to be happy, he can do that. If he wants to muck us about and test us, he's a dick. It's not much more compllcated. He doesn't have to make us suffer first.
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RE: God is a Terrorist.
April 6, 2015 at 3:13 pm
It's because we can bestowed higher blessings, made to inherit blessings/praise/beauty/glory/greatness/honor not possible without the world of trial. This is the summary.
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RE: God is a Terrorist.
April 6, 2015 at 3:14 pm
That doesn't make a lick of sense.
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RE: God is a Terrorist.
April 6, 2015 at 3:18 pm
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(April 6, 2015 at 3:10 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (emphasis is mine)
Are you really describing an omniscient god that is less than all knowing?
Some future can be destined known. Some future can be built by God's plan. Sometimes God knows our hearts are sealed and knows are fate is doomed. Sometimes he doesn't know and wishes to know us. There is many verses that state this, like verses stating do you think God will make you enter heaven while he doesn't know the patient. And other places "And so that he will come to the the truthful and come to know the liars".
God knows all things that can be known. Not everything is possible to be known.
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RE: God is a Terrorist.
April 6, 2015 at 3:18 pm
Uhmm...
God has arbitrary rules he must abide by then? Where did these rules come from? He's not omnipotent then.
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RE: God is a Terrorist.
April 6, 2015 at 3:20 pm
(April 6, 2015 at 3:13 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It's because we can bestowed higher blessings, made to inherit blessings/praise/beauty/glory/greatness/honor not possible without the world of trial. This is the summary.
Suppose I don't want or need "higher blessings" just a lack of suffering? God is apparrently making a huge assumption that trumps free will.
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RE: God is a Terrorist.
April 6, 2015 at 3:20 pm
(April 6, 2015 at 3:09 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (April 6, 2015 at 3:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote: God makes a universe that tries us? Then that makes humans mere toys. Tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornados, child rape and murder, famine, war. If you want to think that is "trying" like say a sport or a test in school, that is sick.
And that isn't even close to kind or love.
If a parent behaved in the same selective deadbeat manor your fictional sky hero you falsely believe is real, that parent would be arrested and put on trial.
A parent doesn't have right and I explained why. Read what I stated.
This is what I hate. I explain thoroughly, and people just pick at parts without looking at the elaboration.
No you simply do not like my analogy. You are damned right a parent would not have the right to treat their child like crap.
Now what are your all loving god's excuses?
1. I can do what I want.
2. I don't have to explain myself to you.
3. I work in mysterious ways.
4. It's your fault not mine.
Don't care dude. Don't ask me to buy a claim of such a dick of a god nor for one second I have any value for such a vile claim. You like thinking of yourself as a doormat for someone and think that is love, I certainly cannot stop you. But no, I value my life and I don't put myself under the thumb of anyone.
You are describing the behaviors of an abusive spouse or a dictator. Not someone you have mutual consent in a relationship with. You are literally a mind slave.
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RE: God is a Terrorist.
April 6, 2015 at 3:21 pm
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Why don't you address the explanation and argument. I don't want to repeat myself.
(April 6, 2015 at 3:20 pm)Spooky Wrote: (April 6, 2015 at 3:13 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It's because we can bestowed higher blessings, made to inherit blessings/praise/beauty/glory/greatness/honor not possible without the world of trial. This is the summary.
Suppose I don't want or need "higher blessings" just a lack of suffering? God is apparrently making a huge assumption that trumps free will.
I don't think peace and tranquility to our nature is possible without these higher blessings. If we were created upon another nature, then it would be. But we chose to want the trust and this nature before coming to this world, and now that we carry it's obligation, we cannot turn our backs on it.
This according to the explanation of the Quran I am aware of.
All I can convey is my perspective. You are free to disagree.
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