Eternal the originator of time - proof.

[TheoneandonlytrueGod]

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I know you will deny the following articles but since time doesn't exist your thesis is full of phooey.


Quantum Theory Proves That Time Does Not Exist

The study of the quantum universe shows us that time does not exist. It shows us that time is a function of relativity only and exists relative to some arbitrary point of reference.

Quantum Theory and non-locality goes something like this; Take two particles, A and B (photons or electrons for example). Pair them, then separate them, and put them on either side of the planet. Stimulate particle A, and particle B will react without any time delay.

In other words both particles act at the same moment in time regardless of distance. This is remarkable right, how can this be? We need to have a physical connection, we need to observe some kind of interconnecting frequency waveform or something, right? This also means we’ve got an interaction between particles happening way beyond the speed of light, right? No I don’t understand this to be accurate.

Quantum Theory Proves That Time Does Not Exist, at the fundamental level in any case. It shows that our concept of time, as thought of as a linear passage of events is totally wide of the mark, in fact there is no mark. Everything exists in an ever present moment. The seeming connection that science is trying to identify is actually consciousness itself. It is that which we are, or at least it is a rudimentary form of that which we are. Time does not actually exist and Quantum Theory proves it.

In science, a “bit” of information is said to have two possible answers. This view of things, i.e everything is either A or B, is inaccurate. Actual reality has an infinite number of answers or possibilities, it has any number of possible outcomes. The future does not exist until we create it. We are the factor, the parameter that decides the outcome whether our conscious mind realises it or not. We can not isolate ourselves from the the universe, we form part of the equation, always.

Scientific American

Mind & Brain »June 2010

Is Time an Illusion?
The concepts of time and change may emerge from a universe that, at root, is utterly static
By Craig Callender
THIS IS A PREVIEW.

As you read this sentence, you probably think that this moment—right now—is what is happening. The present moment feels special. It is real. However much you may remember the past or anticipate the future, you live in the present. Of course, the moment during which you read that sentence is no longer happening. This one is. In other words, it feels as though time flows, in the sense that the present is constantly updating itself. We have a deep intuition that the future is open until it becomes present and that the past is fixed. As time flows, this structure of fixed past, immediate present and open future gets carried forward in time. This structure is built into our language, thought and behavior. How we live our lives hangs on it.

Yet as natural as this way of thinking is, you will not find it reflected in science. The equations of physics do not tell us which events are occurring right now—they are like a map without the “you are here” symbol. The present moment does not exist in them, and therefore neither does the flow of time. Additionally, Albert Einstein’s theories of relativity suggest not only that there is no single special present but also that all moments are equally real [see “That Mysterious Flow,” by Paul Davies; Scientific American, September 2002]. Fundamentally, the future is no more open than the past.

Robert

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I enjoyed reading this.  But I found the last comment by Robert discordant. (see below)

Fundamentally, the future is no more open than the past.

I don't at all see why the existence of a "perspective" where the experience of subjects is concerned implies fatalism.  Am I missing something?

Actually that wasn't my comment, it was in the article. What is being said (though admittedly simplified) is that time doesn't really exist. That is probably the hardest of all quantum physics for the layman to swallow (and that includes me). Somehow Einstein's Space time continuum does not allow for Time, as we think of it, apart from space, somehow they are part and parcel or the same function.

Robert

[noctalla]

A chain of effects is an effect.
An effect requires a cause.
A chain of effects thus requires a cause.

This is a logically sound argument. However, when we talk about infinity, there is always a prior chain of effects that can act as a cause. Wrestling with infinities, we can often construct scenarios which end in apparent contradictions (such as your infinite army chain who shoot when the next person in line tells them to - how could it possibly start?). The contradictions in question are not necessarily logical contradictions. They can simply be counter-intuitive conclusions, that are nevertheless mathematically provable.

See Hilbert's Hotel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert%27s...rand_Hotel

[Mystic]

A chain of effects is an effect.
An effect requires a cause.
A chain of effects thus requires a cause.

This is a logically sound argument. However, when we talk about infinity, there is always a prior chain of effects that can act as a cause. Wrestling with infinities, we can often construct scenarios which end in apparent contradictions (such as your infinite army chain who shoot when the next person in line tells them to - how could it possibly start?). The contradictions in question are not necessarily logical contradictions. They can simply be counter-intuitive conclusions, that are nevertheless mathematically provable.

Infinite chain of effects is still an effect. So it would by definition require a cause but at the same time due to it's infinite nature cannot be caused so then a paradox, thus being impossible.

[bennyboy]

Infinite chain of effects is still an effect. So it would by definition require a cause but at the same time due to it's infinite nature cannot be caused so then a paradox, thus being impossible.

So is the existence of something which was not created, according to you, and that would include God.

[robvalue]

There is no problem with time extending indefinitely into the past. If something outside of our space/time views our universe, they can adjust the time dial and go as far back as they want. Time doesn't have to be infinite in either direction, it only has to go as far as any observer has yet looked at it. And that is unbounded.

I just made that shit up, but it sounded pretty convincing, right?