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Your Political Beliefs
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Your Political Beliefs
So instead of just saying you're Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Socialist etc, what are your actual political beliefs?


Death penalty should be abolished.

Getting involved in war only to protect the innocent (I don't like war, but I can't also agree with letting women and children get murdered while nothing is done to stop the atrocities)....so 95% of American conflicts should never have happened.

Universal healthcare for all citizens where even massages and chiropractic care would be covered.

Freedom of religion beyond what is being allowed now. If someone wants to have a prayer group for whatever reason at their school, I say let them. Fuck whatever religious or atheist nut has to say about it.

Taking care of the environment. Stop complaining about GW and making up horror stories to belittle the other side. Just do your part to clean up the environment and stop buying bottled water (I hate the taste anyway, so that would is easy).

On abortion, I do side with the Life group on non-medical issues (what a doctor agrees is best for a safe operation, they should do so as they have years of medical knowledge I do not possess). As I am against war and the death penalty, I feel like I would be a hypocrite to change tune for another political issue.

I don't agree with raising the minimum wage beyond 15-an-hour (which is relatively high since many college grads don't even get that much with their first job; maybe have a structured pay based on age), but instead to raise taxes for all Americans to 60% of gross income. With those taxes, the poor would be provided many services they otherwise would have to pay on their own now....subsidized housing being a major bonus.

Having able-bodied people on welfare who cannot find a job work for the state in a variety of capacities....this has been viewed as a version of slavery by some leftists. I just feel if you can work and are getting welfare from the state, you should be expected to work.

Also, I am against censorship and being spied upon.
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RE: Your Political Beliefs
(April 13, 2015 at 1:28 am)Polaris Wrote: So instead of just saying you're Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Socialist etc, what are your actual political beliefs?


Death penalty should be abolished.

Getting involved in war only to protect the innocent (I don't like war, but I can't also agree with letting women and children get murdered while nothing is done to stop the atrocities)....so 95% of American conflicts should never have happened.

Universal healthcare for all citizens where even massages and chiropractic care would be covered.

Freedom of religion beyond what is being allowed now. If someone wants to have a prayer group for whatever reason at their school, I say let them. Fuck whatever religious or atheist nut has to say about it.

Taking care of the environment. Stop complaining about GW and making up horror stories to belittle the other side. Just do your part to clean up the environment and stop buying bottled water (I hate the taste anyway, so that would is easy).

On abortion, I do side with the Life group on non-medical issues (what a doctor agrees is best for a safe operation, they should do so as they have years of medical knowledge I do not possess). As I am against war and the death penalty, I feel like I would be a hypocrite to change tune for another political issue.

I don't agree with raising the minimum wage beyond 15-an-hour (which is relatively high since many college grads don't even get that much with their first job; maybe have a structured pay based on age), but instead to raise taxes for all Americans to 60% of gross income. With those taxes, the poor would be provided many services they otherwise would have to pay on their own now....subsidized housing being a major bonus.

Having able-bodied people on welfare who cannot find a job work for the state in a variety of capacities....this has been viewed as a version of slavery by some leftists. I just feel if you can work and are getting welfare from the state, you should be expected to work.

Also, I am against censorship and being spied upon.

I am an Independent (not that you asked).

I am pro-death penalty on a federal level, by gunshot to the back of the head. It shall never be mandatory, and shall be reserved for murder or rape.

Free health care. Paid fire and ambulance service in all districts, by all tiers of government. 

Gay marriage should be federally required as a right.

Affirmative action should be limited. Race preferences should be limited everywhere except in the most obvious places,like hiring a black person to chair the NAACP, etc.

Disabled people need to have a liveable pension, and businesses not be under threat for not hiring the mobility-disabled. Disability fraud needs to be punished very severely. 

Assisted suicide needs to be legal everywhere, for those who are either terminal, or are unable to live viable lives due to disability with pain or similar discomfort.

Education should be free.
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RE: Your Political Beliefs
I just wrote a bit about my voting plans at TTA and I was rather pleased with myself. It almost sounded like I knew what I was talking about. That's as good as it gets for me, so I'll copy it over:

I'm in the UK, and I'm going to vote green or labour.

I don't know a great deal about politics, but I've made an effort to gather more information for this election.

Green and labour are the only parties which give a fuck about animals, and that is a priority to me. Not only do Tories not care, they actually want to bring back fox "hunting" which should be called fox torture. There is no way I'm going to vote for anyone who wants that. UKIP also support it, so they are out. I don't see the Tories doing a particularly good job running the country anyhow.

I like green because they also care about the environment more than most parties. I may vote for them, not because I expect them to win this time, but to try and get them more seats. I want a voice for animals and the environment in politics. My friend once told me green was a wasted vote, as they would never get a seat. Now they have over 20 I believe.

If I want to try and get someone to actually win. I'll vote labour. They have surprisingly good animal policies, they plan to abolish or improve something like 8-10 different issues. Unfortunately I find them as slippery as the Tories in actually being honest about stuff.

The lib dems I know less about, but I do know they held back the Tories from doing some bad stuff like bringing back fox hunting already, and auctioning off everyone's fucking granny to the highest bidder.

All in all... I think labour or green. Ironically I liked Farage because he was the only one at the debate out of the big parties being properly honest. I could see the others lying through their teeth about various matters. But I'm not going UKIP because they also have crazy ideas like bringing in handguns, promoting fracking, and trying to solve every problem ever by tackling immigration.

Please don't vote for Cameron. Fox hunting is absolutely vile. For those that don't know, it's dragging out the "cull" of a fox as long as possible using dogs, to terrorise the fox and chase it until it's at the point of absolute exhaustion. Sometimes it dies from its heart exploding. Then the dogs rip it to shreds. If a fox "needs" to die, it should be done as quickly and cleanly as possible. Cameron actually said people in the countryside need fox hunting. Fuck off. No one needs to torture animals.

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RE: Your Political Beliefs
Not too sure where I'd fall as far as labels go but I generally align with the left on issues. 

The death penalty should be abolished. As an atheist I'm not sure anything happens after death other than nonexistence, that being said death is far too light a sentence on those that currently "deserve" it. Not to mention the chance of wrongfully executing someone. 

War as a necessity only, for self defense and in the defense of innocents only. 

Free healthcare. 

I'm fine with the current level of freedom of religion. We need certain barriers in place to protect everyone's rights, there are always fundamentalists looking to impose their views on others. 

I'm a bit unsure on abortion issues. I feel that women should be able to do what they feel is necessary, yet I find myself despising those that use it as their primary form of birth control. 

Wages should change with cost of living, plain and simple. I'm not great with economics so that's just a laymen's two cents.

Welfare and disability should have reasonable limitations, as to what those should be I'll leave to my betters in that arena. 

Censorship is bullshit. 
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RE: Your Political Beliefs
Fuck the establishment. I will stand against it until I am the establishment. Then fuck me!
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#6
RE: Your Political Beliefs
Pro Life.
Libertarian.
Pro Universal Basic income.
Want to fire many if not most federal employees.
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#7
RE: Your Political Beliefs
My political beliefs are somewhere to the left of Adolph Hitler.

I'm pro-death penalty for the most heinous crimes. If they can be proven beyond a doubt.

I'm anti-war, except for matters of self defence.

I'm all for free healthcare for all and would abolish private healthcare using public money, if people want to go private let them build their own hospitals and train their own staff instead of using ours.

I'm in favour of freedom from religion and would support lining the religious up against a wall and shooting them. I would consider this doing them a favour by fast tracking them to heaven.

I'm in favour of cleaning up the environment but think many environmentalists are hypocritical Luddites who cannot see the wood from the trees.

I'm against abortion but recognise its also none of my business.

I'm against the minimum wage because I can remember before the minimum wage, when employees had to be competitive but now they just pay everyone the minimum wage and treat people as wage slaves.

I'm against forcing people to work for welfare. If there is work to be done then give people a fair days wage for a fair days work, instead of forcing them into what is basically a form of slavery.

I'm against censorship and being spied upon.

I'm also against mass immigration because I think its done nothing for normal people and has actually made their lives worse by pushing up house prices, lowering wages and putting a strain on the NHS. Not to mention its flooded our country (the uk) with religious nutjobs.

(April 13, 2015 at 2:38 am)robvalue Wrote: I just wrote a bit about my voting plans at TTA and I was rather pleased with myself. It almost sounded like I knew what I was talking about. That's as good as it gets for me, so I'll copy it over:

I'm in the UK, and I'm going to vote green or labour.

I don't know a great deal about politics, but I've made an effort to gather more information for this election.

Green and labour are the only parties which give a fuck about animals, and that is a priority to me. Not only do Tories not care, they actually want to bring back fox "hunting" which should be called fox torture. There is no way I'm going to vote for anyone who wants that. UKIP also support it, so they are out. I don't see the Tories doing a particularly good job running the country anyhow.

I like green because they also care about the environment more than most parties. I may vote for them, not because I expect them to win this time, but to try and get them more seats. I want a voice for animals and the environment in politics. My friend once told me green was a wasted vote, as they would never get a seat. Now they have over 20 I believe.

If I want to try and get someone to actually win. I'll vote labour. They have surprisingly good animal policies, they plan to abolish or improve something like 8-10 different issues. Unfortunately I find them as slippery as the Tories in actually being honest about stuff.

The lib dems I know less about, but I do know they held back the Tories from doing some bad stuff like bringing back fox hunting already, and auctioning off everyone's fucking granny to the highest bidder.

All in all... I think labour or green. Ironically I liked Farage because he was the only one at the debate out of the big parties being properly honest. I could see the others lying through their teeth about various matters. But I'm not going UKIP because they also have crazy ideas like bringing in handguns, promoting fracking, and trying to solve every problem ever by tackling immigration.

Please don't vote for Cameron. Fox hunting is absolutely vile. For those that don't know, it's dragging out the "cull" of a fox as long as possible using dogs, to terrorise the fox and chase it until it's at the point of absolute exhaustion. Sometimes it dies from its heart exploding. Then the dogs rip it to shreds. If a fox "needs" to die, it should be done as quickly and cleanly as possible. Cameron actually said people in the countryside need fox hunting. Fuck off. No one needs to torture animals.

Thanks for reading!

I don't know where you live but here in the midlands fox hunting never ended, sure it's illegal but they still do it and the police won't do anything about it because the people doing it are posh. If it was two people on a council estate fighting dogs the police would be straight round but they turn a blind eye to the toffs using dogs to tear animals apart.

Incidently a friend of mine used to work on a large estate and part of his job was to go round and feed the foxes to make sure the hunt had something to kill. Basically the countryside is managed and people don't hunt foxes to keep their numbers down, they do it because they're cruel fuckers.
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RE: Your Political Beliefs
(Using the OP as a basis)

No death penalty, free education and healthcare, freedom from and of religion, actual universal human rights (id est: no discrimination due to sexual orientation, skin color, country of origin, and so on), individuals should decide whether they want an abortion - the same goes for assisted suicide - tightest gun control imaginable without outright banning them (you need to prove you're sane, with no record of violence, that you can fire accurately, that you know when it's safe to shoot at something, and so on; these would all be tested on a regular basis), no censorship or spying, minimum wage should actually cover the bare essentials like food, water, clothing, a home, a bed, electricity, et cetera.
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RE: Your Political Beliefs
I believe the death penalty should be used in the most extreme cases, because I don't believe everyone can be rehabilitated. This would be a case like if a woman is put in charge of a teenager for two weeks, catches her flirting with a boy, and decided to spend the next week torturing her to death for it.

I believe in universal healthcare and education. These seem like great things to spend tax dollars on.

I believe we should cut the military budget by at least half, and only go to war when we feel threatened on our shores, or if some guy starts using his army to continually invade other places and needs to be stopped before s/he takes over the world.

I believe abortion should be fine if it's in the first trimester. Maybe early second. If the nervous system and neo cortex haven't developed yet, you don't have a thinking feeling thing in there. 

Legalize and regulate prostitution and at least decriminalize drugs. Legalize weed, because it has medicinal benefits and you practically can't overdose on it. Death by weed overdose is not a thing.

Legalize gay marriage. Protect transsexuals.

Separate church and state. Churches should not be allowed to fund political parties or politicians without waiving tax exemption status. Anyone who wants to install god's law should be kicked out, because this is not a theocracy and should never be one.

Make immigration easier. I believe the main reason people try to come illegally is because it takes so long to become a citizen the proper way.

Tax the rich. Make it so you don't have to pay income tax if you make under a certain amount of money. Get money out of politics. Only allow people to receive a set amount of money to run. We have to move away from an oligarchy, and back to a representative republic.

Raise the minimum wage, and connect it to inflation so it goes up over time. I really don't think if you raise the MW five bucks, that the price of everything else is going to go up five bucks, though my family seems to think so. States have to have a living wage so we can get rid of the working poor class, who work full time and still rely on government subsidies. I'm all for government assistance programs, but we need to raise the MW too.

Fund alternative fuel and climate change research.

We have to do something about the police force. Remove any military-grade weapons, vehicles, ect. Make everyone wear a camera, and prosecute them using prosecutors from other jurisdictions. Give everyone a taser, and any guns they have should not have lethal rounds in the first chamber. We have got to keep the police from doing whatever they want with the power they are given. If it makes their line of work more difficult, so be it. No one is being conscripted into the police force.

Make it illegal to rely only on faith healing. Especially for children. Pray as much as you want after using over the counter meds, or sending your kid to the hospital.

That's everything off the top of my head. If I left anything out, feel free to mention it.
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RE: Your Political Beliefs
Egalitarian, realist, fiscal conservative but ardent liberal on social matters.

Anti-religious/cultural exemption, anti-multiculturalist (normatively speaking), diseatabliahmentarian and hence ardent secularist. I believe in freedoms for all belief systems and none so long as they don't violate the law (am 100% pro banning halal and kosher as they are illegal in the UK apart from exemptions).

Anti-death penalty and corporal punishment.

Pro-alternative energy policy but I'm very much against the Greens in the UK. Their policies are completely unrealistic and would bankrupt he UK both economically speaking and in terms of energy (anti-nuclear means we'd have blackouts that exceed anything beyond what occurred in the 1970s). Prefer a measured energy policy that cuts down on fossil fuels but doesn't eliminate them entirely until we're ready to move on, which certainly isn't now, unfortunately.

Anti-nationalist and hence anti-SNP/Plaid Cymru/UKIP. I think nationalism gives a voice to people prima Facie but ultimately seeks to divide people rather than unite them.

What else? err, probably loads of things, heh. I'm with Rob on most things aside the greens, and animal rights. I'm 100% for animal rights in everything aside anti-vivisection, which I regard as the quintessential 'loony left'.
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