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MayPac
#11
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I will find any permanent aesthetic damage to Pacquiao to be extremely upsetting.
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#12
RE: MayPac
I agree with you Napoleon, he is quick as hell, and one of the best ever. If people say he's boring, I wouldn't agree with that.

I didn't get to watch it, honestly not sure if anyone went down on the mat in the fight, but I doubt it. They both don't go down easy, I thought it would go to a decision because of that. Mayweather is an all around better boxer, that's how I made my decision. I've seen a few Paquiao fights. The Cotto one was on T.V. recently. I watched that, and I wasn't too impressed with Paquiao. I've seen some Mayweather fights. I thought the De La Hoya fight was an interesting one for Mayweather, but other than that, Mayweather just makes it look so easy.

I'll have to catch some of the highlights.
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#13
RE: MayPac
Turns out that Floyd won this fight customarily how he won all the other fights - that is, by being evasive, slippery, elusive, and on top of that using his deadly accuracy and timing to outbox his opponent - even against someone much more aggressive than him.

I myself predicted he'd be the winner, so I'm glad to find out I wasn't wrong. Hehe.
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#14
RE: MayPac
(May 3, 2015 at 1:49 am)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: I agree with you Napoleon, he is quick as hell, and one of the best ever. If people say he's boring, I wouldn't agree with that.

I didn't get to watch it, honestly not sure if anyone went down on the mat in the fight, but I doubt it. They both don't go down easy, I thought it would go to a decision because of that. Mayweather is an all around better boxer, that's how I made my decision. I've seen a few Paquiao fights. The Cotto one was on T.V. recently. I watched that, and I wasn't too impressed with Paquiao. I've seen some Mayweather fights. I thought the De La Hoya fight was an interesting one for Mayweather, but other than that, Mayweather just makes it look so easy.

I'll have to catch some of the highlights.

Pacquiao is a future hall of famer, make no mistake about that. His career is arguably much better than Mayweather's in terms of achievements and who he's fought. 

The Cotto fight, Manny showed how he doesn't mind getting hit. Which isn't the greatest thing to display, but make no mistake he is still one of the greatest himself. Pac is probably the first fighter I've ever watched that made me go "woah" (okay Roy Jones Jr too), just from pure boxing ability. In the Cotto fight he wasn't anywhere near his best. Against De La Hoya was when I first saw him and he put on a boxing masterclass. He had footspeed, handspeed and just didn't stop punching. At his best he buzzes around you in and out so fast and furious he just overwhelms you.

In the MayPac fight we didn't see any of that. He looked a shell of his former self. In previous fights Pac would regularly throw 100 punches a round. He didn't throw anywhere near half of that for this fight. 

To be fair, I think Pac man just didn't turn up, and that's what lead to it being such a boring, one sided fight. I knew from the first round what the result would be. Right from the off, Pacquiao just wasn't throwing enough punches. People I were watching it with were saying "it's only the first round, he's just getting warmed up", then before you know it it's the 5th, the 6th, the 7th... and he's only going to start throwing less from that point on.

(May 3, 2015 at 5:31 am)Rayaan Wrote: Turns out that Floyd won this fight customarily how he won all the other fights - that is, by being evasive, slippery, elusive, and on top of that using his deadly accuracy and timing to outbox his opponent - even against someone much more aggressive than him.

I myself predicted he'd be the winner, so I'm glad to find out I wasn't wrong. Hehe.

Thing is, Pac didn't show the kind of aggression we're used to seeing. 

Floyd, even still, isn't unbeatable. He was in serious trouble against Mosely. Against Castillo, he was basically beat. And everyone says "he's never been knocked down", Zab Judah knocked him down but it was ruled a slip. To me, he can still be beat. If the Pacquiao we were all expecting to have showed up, showed up, who knows, it could have been very different.


Mayweather is on about doing one last fight. 

I hope he doesn't choose Kahn. I'm sick of hearing from Kahn how he is the first in line to fight Mayweather. Don't understand that conclusion at all. For starters, Kell Brook is the only other champ out there now, it should be a unification fight before that. Also, Kahn has just ducked fighting Kell for a WORLD TITLE to fight Chris fucking Algieri. But Kahn goes on about how Kell needs to fight world class opposition first? He's the fucking champion! 

Also, Kahn shouldn't even be ahead of Danny Garcia, who knocked him the fuck out in the 4th, and who is still unbeaten himself. 

So it will be interesting to see who he chooses. I hope he chooses Kell Brook. I don't quite know whether Kell has enough skill to even challenge Mayweather, but he can hit pretty hard and has a solid chin, so I think that would be a good fight.
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#15
RE: MayPac
That was excruciating to watch, but Mayweather fought a smart fight. I kept waiting for Pacquiao to adjust, but it never came. Half way into the second round I couldn't help but think Mayweather's tactics came straight out of a 2010 Inter playbook from Jose Mourinho.
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#16
RE: MayPac
(May 3, 2015 at 10:46 am)Cato Wrote: Half way into the second round I couldn't help but think Mayweather's tactics came straight out of a 2010 Inter playbook from Jose Mourinho.

Haha, Chelsea are still doing it now. Parking the bus. 

In a way, you can't knock it, but yeah, it does get painfully boring. Only thing that's slightly better when a boxer does it, a boxer like Mayweather, is you can at least appreciate his skill and counter-punching, if nothing else. When it happens in football, it's basically a bunch of men standing on the line hoofing the ball away, not really much skill involved in that.
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#17
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I've also seen opinion this morning about Mayweather fighting Amir Khan in September. Khan is fighting Algieri in Brooklyn May 29th, going to try and score tickets.

I would rather see Mayweather go back up and give Andrade a shot if this is truly to be Mayweather's last fight. If Mayweather beats him, he can add another belt. If he stays at Welterweight for his last fight, I would rather see Kell Brook get the shot with the IBF title on the line. Brook is also still undefeated pending his bout with Gavin (don't expect things to change).
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#18
RE: MayPac
(May 3, 2015 at 9:21 am)Napoléon Wrote:
(May 3, 2015 at 1:49 am)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: I agree with you Napoleon, he is quick as hell, and one of the best ever. If people say he's boring, I wouldn't agree with that.

I didn't get to watch it, honestly not sure if anyone went down on the mat in the fight, but I doubt it. They both don't go down easy, I thought it would go to a decision because of that. Mayweather is an all around better boxer, that's how I made my decision. I've seen a few Paquiao fights. The Cotto one was on T.V. recently. I watched that, and I wasn't too impressed with Paquiao. I've seen some Mayweather fights. I thought the De La Hoya fight was an interesting one for Mayweather, but other than that, Mayweather just makes it look so easy.

I'll have to catch some of the highlights.

Pacquiao is a future hall of famer, make no mistake about that. His career is arguably much better than Mayweather's in terms of achievements and who he's fought. 

The Cotto fight, Manny showed how he doesn't mind getting hit. Which isn't the greatest thing to display, but make no mistake he is still one of the greatest himself. Pac is probably the first fighter I've ever watched that made me go "woah" (okay Roy Jones Jr too), just from pure boxing ability. 

I agree he is a future hall of famer, I feel he went downhill the last few years and Mayweather didn't. If they fought each other about 8-10 years ago, I feel it would have been a better fight. I agree about the "whoa" factor from Pacquiao, Roy Jones Jr, and Tyson. I loved watching Tyson demolish people in his younger days; that guy was a machine. I loved his approach; a full on attack lol. It seemed when he started having out of the ring trouble, his personality changed quite a bit, and I didn't like him as much. He seemed so disciplined, and had such great sportsmanship back then.
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#19
RE: MayPac
(May 3, 2015 at 9:21 am)Napoléon Wrote: Thing is, Pac didn't show the kind of aggression we're used to seeing.

That's true, but I think that a major part of the reason for that is because of who he was fighting against.  His usual offensiveness/aggressiveness must have been to some degree neutralized by Floyd's defense and his range control. In relation to that, I also think Manny wasn't able to gain enough confidence during the fight because he might have realized the level of skill that Floyd has in dodging and counter-punching. Floyd's style didn't allow Manny to take full advantage of his own speed and aggression. Therefore, it's likely that Manny felt that he would become more vulnerable to being counter-attacked if he goes in and punches more, and so this may have a key thing that prevented him from feeling confident enough as to get more aggressive.


(May 3, 2015 at 9:21 am)Napoléon Wrote: Floyd, even still, isn't unbeatable. He was in serious trouble against Mosely. Against Castillo, he was basically beat. And everyone says "he's never been knocked down", Zab Judah knocked him down but it was ruled a slip. To me, he can still be beat. If the Pacquiao we were all expecting to have showed up, showed up, who knows, it could have been very different.

Of course. I don't necessarily think that he's unbeatable either. 
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#20
RE: MayPac
After watching it, I feel Manny was as good as he could have been. Mayweather just out boxed him. Some may say he danced around the ring, but everyone that faces off with Mayweather can do what he's doing too, but they don't, or they can't seem to do it as well. Mayweather boxed really well, and got the win.

I agree he's not unbeatable, no one is unbeatable. He is near unbeatable boxing the way he did against Pacquiao.

The Mayweather vs. Mosley fight was good. I agree, Mosely could have won that fight. But, also, Mayweather didn't dance around that fight. He actually stood toe to toe with him and fought him for the most part, which made for a more exciting fight than the Pacquiao one, in my opinion. You got to see what Mayweather was really made of against a great a opponent. He was definitely beatable. I wonder how he would have done against Pac standing toe to toe, that would have been an amazing fight.
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