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Ask a Catholic
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RE: Ask a Catholic
(May 15, 2015 at 5:17 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: What steps have you personally taken to express your outrage (if in fact you are outraged) by the ongoing criminal conspiracy to shield child molesters by leaders of your church?  And why would you want to be associated with such an institution?

I figured this would be the first question...you came in a close second.  Tongue

First, there is no excuse for the sins committed by the priests who committed these crimes nor for the failures of the bishops who mishandled them. Those guilty of the crimes should be prosecuted, and those who showed poor judgment after the fact should be retired.

Second, I have spent MANY hours online discussing the matter in forums such as this.

Third, while I am disappointed, I am neither outraged nor shocked. We are a fallen race, and fallen people, fallen Christians included, commit sins.

Fourth, I keep this in perspective. I do not disassociate myself from public schools just because school teachers abuse minors. I do not disassociate myself from colleges and universities just because Jerry Sandusky abused minors at Penn State. I do not stop voting for elected officials just because our president had sex with an intern in the Oval Office. Why? See my previous point.

Fifth, unlike people who relish the opportunity to bash Christians in general and Catholics especially, I recognize the bias inherent in the reporting.

Please read point #1 above before continuing with the following:


Quote:Selective Media Outrage

http://www.catholic.com/magazine/article...he-problem 
 
Although media reports focus on sexual abuse by Catholic clergy to a greater extent than they focus on other perpetrators of sexual abuse, in fact a much greater percentage of sexual abuse takes place within families than by clergy of any denomination. A cohabiting boyfriend or stepfather is a much more likely perpetrator of abuse than a Catholic priest. In the mass media, there are frequent calls to discontinue celibacy for clergy, but no commentators have called for abolishing cohabitation or divorce and remarriage.
 
Unfortunately, sexual abuse of minors is also common in schools. Dr. Charol Shakeshaft, a researcher at Hofstra University, examined abuse rates in schools and found serious problems. “[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem?” she said. “The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests” (John E. Dougherty, “Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church,” newsmax.com, April 5, 2004). Here again, the inconsistent treatment of this issue by the press is evident, for headlines do not warn people about the grave danger of “pedophile teachers.” Tom Hoopes notes that:
 
The 2002 Department of Education report estimated that from 6 percent to 10 percent of all students in public schools would be victims of abuse before graduation—a staggering statistic. . . . Yet, during the first half of 2002, the 61 largest newspapers in California ran nearly 2,000 stories about sexual abuse in Catholic institutions, mostly concerning past allegations. During the same period, those newspapers ran four stories about the federal government’s discovery of the much larger—and ongoing—abuse scandal in public schools. (“Has Media Ignored Sex Abuse in Schools?, National Review Online, August 24, 2006)

Hope this helps.
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#12
RE: Ask a Catholic
Do you think you can be a Catholic and disagree/not obey the pope?
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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#13
RE: Ask a Catholic
Quote: Hope this helps.

Not in the least.


You are supporting a criminal conspiracy which, as far as I can tell, reached to the very highest levels and is probably continuing.  You should be ashamed to be part of it.
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#14
RE: Ask a Catholic
(May 15, 2015 at 5:17 pm)robvalue Wrote: If Yahweh was a human, and that human did everything Yahweh did in the bible (the human has some magic where needed), would you call that human evil?

Should I assume you're not referring to the parts where that human died on a cross so that all the other humans might live forever in heaven?  Tongue

Sure, there are some challenging parts of the Old Testament that are difficult to understand. In fact, the apparent difference between the God of the OT and the God of the NT has been termed one of the two most difficult issues for Christians to address. I'm guessing that's why you chose to ask? 

While I don't claim to have a satisfactory answer (or at least one that will satisfy you), I do think that Jimmy Akin has given a reasonable response here:

Hard Sayings Of The Old Testament
by Jimmy Akin
http://jimmyakin.com/2007/02/hard_sayings_of.html
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#15
RE: Ask a Catholic
Do you pray to saints to intercede for you to God, and if so which saints do you go to?
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#16
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(May 15, 2015 at 5:20 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Does the light REALLY go off when you close the refrigerator door?

I'm not sure about that, but I have seen the resulting darkness when people close their minds.  Cool
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#17
RE: Ask a Catholic
This one's been on my mind for a while

How do you reconcile your beliefs with reality?
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#18
RE: Ask a Catholic
(May 15, 2015 at 5:37 pm)Alex K Wrote: Why would anyone want to be catholic?

Because it is true. 
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#19
RE: Ask a Catholic
If there were no catholics, there wouldn't be anyone for protestants to protest against.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#20
RE: Ask a Catholic
(May 15, 2015 at 6:34 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote: Hope this helps.

Not in the least.

I agree. Playing the "but they do it too" card is a putrid red herring that stinks the place out. Yes, similar abuses have happened in schools, in care homes, in the BBC. And in each case that's uncovered, inquiries have been launched and those found guilty sacked and imprisoned. If the organisations involved quietly moved the alleged abusers around to potential fresh victims, suppressed evidence, and blamed the victims as a matter of policy, as does the Catholic Church, there would be the riot to end all riots. Randy, I appreciate your attempting to tackle the question, but don't you dare try to whitewash the issue in such a pathetic way again.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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