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Here's an interesting article if only to show the depth of the research that scholars are willing to undertake in pursuit of an ancient text.

http://magazine.pepperdine.edu/2013/08/i...scoveries/

Quote:For the past six months the Seaver College Religion Division has been studying a significant piece of religious history that could impact the way scholars and theologians translate and understand a part of the Bible.

The document, a small piece of vellum containing a partial copy of Paul’s Epistle to the Romans in Greek, dates to the third century and is the oldest copy of Romans chapters 4 and 5 known to exist. However, the decisive letter in the crucial word that would favor one or the other of two competing interpretations of Romans 5:1 is missing.

Interesting also that the earliest manuscript for this stuff is guessed at as third century but the papyrologists, Orsini and Clarysse have recently dated it to late 4th century.  That would make it virtually identical to the Codex Vaticanus...allegedly our earliest complete "bible" even though it does not contain the Pastorals, Philemon, and Revelation (indicating that such shit was added later.)

Still, one needs to be impressed by the diligence of the scholars and students who worked on this.  Rivals the work being put into the burned Villa of the Papyri trove at Herculaneum and surpassed only by the piecing together of the Dead Sea Scrolls.  Unlike Indiana Jones, archaeologists rarely find this stuff in one piece.
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(July 20, 2015 at 2:00 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Here's an interesting article if only to show the depth of the research that scholars are willing to undertake in pursuit of an ancient text.

http://magazine.pepperdine.edu/2013/08/i...scoveries/

Quote:For the past six months the Seaver College Religion Division has been studying a significant piece of religious history that could impact the way scholars and theologians translate and understand a part of the Bible.

The document, a small piece of vellum containing a partial copy of Paul’s Epistle to the Romans in Greek, dates to the third century and is the oldest copy of Romans chapters 4 and 5 known to exist. However, the decisive letter in the crucial word that would favor one or the other of two competing interpretations of Romans 5:1 is missing.

Interesting also that the earliest manuscript for this stuff is guessed at as third century but the papyrologists, Orsini and Clarysse have recently dated it to late 4th century.  That would make it virtually identical to the Codex Vaticanus...allegedly our earliest complete "bible" even though it does not contain the Pastorals, Philemon, and Revelation (indicating that such shit was added later.)

Or those books could have been lost somewhere along the line.
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What?  Someone found them in the latrine and turned them in to Lost and Found?
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Historian Doris Kearns Goodwin was on the Daily Show last night and, in the first minute, reminds us that we were not always as fucking stupid as we are now.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/6kdckp...ns-goodwin
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Quote:His birth was accompanied by unusual divine signs in the heavens.

That's funny. They say the same thing about Kim Jong Un in North Korea.......
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They said the same thing about Augustus.


Quote:“The Emperor Augustus was praised as the Savior of the world…(but) the idea of Savior was not unique or original with Augustus himself. Before him the same title was given Seleucid and other Hellenistic kings. Throughout this period there were frequent longings for a savior from the present troubles.” Augustus was said to have had a miraculous birth and a childhood filled with many portents and signs. A few months before he was born a portent was observed at Rome which gave warning that nature was pregnant with a king for the Roman People. "Thereupon the senate in consternation decreed that no male child born that year should be reared; but those whose wives were with child saw to it that the decree was not filed in the treasury, since each one appropriated the prediction to his own family."


Contrary to what xtian fuckfaces think, jesus was nothing special in the mythology of the times.  Just another run-of-the-mill godboy.
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(July 31, 2015 at 3:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote: They said the same thing about Augustus.


Quote:“The Emperor Augustus was praised as the Savior of the world…(but) the idea of Savior was not unique or original with Augustus himself. Before him the same title was given Seleucid and other Hellenistic kings. Throughout this period there were frequent longings for a savior from the present troubles.” Augustus was said to have had a miraculous birth and a childhood filled with many portents and signs. A few months before he was born a portent was observed at Rome which gave warning that nature was pregnant with a king for the Roman People. "Thereupon the senate in consternation decreed that no male child born that year should be reared; but those whose wives were with child saw to it that the decree was not filed in the treasury, since each one appropriated the prediction to his own family."


Contrary to what xtian fuckfaces think, jesus was nothing special in the mythology of the times.  Just another run-of-the-mill godboy.

Where's that quote from, Min?
Teenaged X-Files obsession + Bermuda Triangle episode + Self-led school research project = Atheist.
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Wiki.  I forget the name of the book cited in the footnote.
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Wiki.  I forget the name of the book cited in the footnote.

It was specifically talking of Suetonius' Life of Augustus but this book covers it.  Starts at Part 5.

https://books.google.com/books?id=OeJNAQ...ns&f=false
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Do you believe the historian Josephus descriptions for the size of Second Temple in Jerusalem are accurate or were exaggerated.
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