Interview with a Jovo

[Tonus]

This put the cleaning manager under quite some strain as we need cleaners to fill these posts (there is actually a shortage of good cleaners in our local job market apparently), but this was causing bother as we have several other cleaners who'd love to be exempt From working Sunday's but who have also been told they must work.

You feel hypocrisy creeping up because your actions were by definition intolerant and considered religious persecution.

The employer would be within his rights to accommodate the woman's desire to avoid working Sundays. But the bolded portion indicates that there is a practical reason for turning her down: to make an exception for her would unfairly burden the other workers, who were seeking to get more Sundays off. If that's a particular concern for the company, then adding a worker who would specifically NOT address that problem would likely create morale issues, in addition to, you know... not solving the problem.

And that's without considering why she would ask for special treatment as a condition of her employment in the first place.

[LastPoet]

Perhaps god can pay for her bills?

[downbeatplumb]

The other day I applied for a job as a baby seal clubber.

Those baby seals know how to partay.

[Faith No More]

Calling this religious persecution is a joke and shows just how desperate Drich is to have persecution against Christians. This isn't intolerance of religion. This is intolerance of religion's cavalier attitude towards special treatment.

[Drich]

Refusing to hire someone who refuses to comply with their responsibilities regarding the position is not discrimination, it's common sense.

Maybe in China or the communist country where you or the OP is from.

But, here is 'Merica We have this thing call the Bill 'o rights
and it says (concerning religious freedoms

In a 1979 consultation on the issue, the United States Commission on Civil Rights defined religious discrimination in relation to the civil rights guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Whereas religious civil liberties, such as the right to hold or not to hold a religious belief, are essential for Freedom of Religion (in the United States secured by the First Amendment), religious discrimination occurs when someone is denied "the equal protection of the laws, equality of status under the law, equal treatment in the administration of justice, and equality of opportunity and access to employment, education, housing, public services and facilities, and public accommodation because of their exercise of their right to religious freedom."[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_discrimination

Did you see that last little bit? the bit where is says"equal opportunity for employment" and "Public accommodation because of their EXERCISE of their right to Religious Freedom?" If said cleaning lady's exercise of Religious freedom has her at church on sunday then the employer must make an accommodation for her religious beliefs.

IF The OP had a business in the United States The cleaning lady who went to church could have a law suit against the OP's Company if they employed more than 15 people. but, again in the court of public opinion (as you are a member of) the OP nor his company did anything wrong. Unless she was a Jew observing a high holy day or a Buddhist doing something similar.

If they'd refused to hire her specifically because she was a woman or christian, it would be discrimination. But in this case, the reason stated was failure in meeting the  requirements. This job would mean working on Sundays and she knew that. Applying for it with that knowledge in mind and demanding special treatment is just silly.

Maybe look up the law before teaching from it next time.

[Drich]

You feel hypocrisy creeping up because your actions were by definition intolerant and considered religious persecution.

The employer would be within his rights to accommodate the woman's desire to avoid working Sundays.  But the bolded portion indicates that there is a practical reason for turning her down: to make an exception for her would unfairly burden the other workers, who were seeking to get more Sundays off.  If that's a particular concern for the company, then adding a worker who would specifically NOT address that problem would likely create morale issues, in addition to, you know... not solving the problem.

And that's without considering why she would ask for special treatment as a condition of her employment in the first place.

If solving this great 'problem' is an issue for this company, then perhaps all of it upper management needs to be fired.

The problem is solved with a diversity in it's hiring practices. Meaning hire people who's holy days are Saturday and Sunday, along with the heathens who can 'float.' a day off. Not to mention it is unrealistic to expect to hire a person and never give them a day off. What is the big deal whether a person has a week day or week end day off? (When one hires from a more diverse group of people, rather than just one type or religious group?)

[Longhorn]

I wasn't teaching from the law, sillyhead. It's common sense. Look: a job has requirements. You fail to meet them. Therefore, you are not suitable for the job, so you're not hired. It's really that simple! And it doesn't even have anything to do with your religion! Amazing!

You want special treatment for having personal beliefs? Sorry, not how businesses work. You don't meet the criteria, you're not hired. The end.

[robvalue]

It comes down to "reasonable adjustments" I think. What she was asking was not reasonable, far from it.

[Drich]

Calling this religious persecution is a joke and shows just how desperate Drich is to have persecution against Christians.  This isn't intolerance of religion.  This is intolerance of religion's cavalier attitude towards special treatment.

Youre simply ignorant of how the law reads, and don't understand the basic principles in which this law is to protect.

-Or you don't understand that I have acknoweledge that in this particular case because the cleaning lady's faith seems to be Christian, it is indeed ok to discriminate against her making this NOT an issue of discrimation. However if her holy day was Saturday, then it would be another matter all together.

[Minimalist]

"I have to observe my religion which I'm very passionate about, so I cannot work Sunday's under any circumstances."

Fuck her.  It would be like a muslim seeking a job in a deli and then refusing to slice ham.

BTW, my local supermarket has a deli clerk who seems muslim right down to the head scarf.  She slices ham beautifully.