Miracle

[paulpablo]

That means you think that in ancient time there were people who had the information about stars similar to what general people have in today’s world even though ancient did not have the telescopes and advanced techniques of calculations.

I never made any statements about general people in todays world.  You were asking a question about what I personally know about stars, I don't know any advanced calculations or techniques involving stars.
You asked if I agree with the statement that there are things obvious to me that aren't obvious to ancient people, Ok I agree with that.
You then said I know what stars are but to ancient people it was not obvious what they were looking at.
I told you I don't actually know that much about stars, I have been told within my lifetime exactly what stars are made from and what they are but I'm not an astronomer or anything like that so I don't use information about stars enough in my life to be able to have taken the information on board.
I probably know more about the distance stars are from earth than ancient people, and that they are bigger than the earth.
I know they aren't missiles used to launch at devils like the quran describes.
But as far as constellations and the different stars of the night sky an ancient Egyptian or sailor probably knew how to use the stars for navigation more than me.
I'm not trying to be awkward when answering this question I'm just simply saying there are somethings they knew that I don't know about stars and some things I know they didn't know.
I don't see how any of this involves the quran stating that stars are used to launch against devils.

[paulpablo]

You are trying to dramatize a common sense idea. Not heart, not big toe, and not donkey feel the pain of burning other than the person who is going through that burning experience.

“The Muslims are like a single person. IF HIS EYE IS IN PAIN, HIS WHOLE BODY IS IN PAIN, AND IF HIS HEAD IS IN PAIN, HIS WHOLE BODY IS IN PAIN."

Hadith 6589
Chapter 17
Book 45 (Nurturing Ties and Manners)
Sahih Muslim
Volume 6
Translated by:
Nasiruddin al-Khattab

No I'm simply saying that the quran doesn't mention which part of the body is responsible for the actual punishment of pain, what actually senses the punishment of pain is the brain.
The verse of the quran still makes sense if the heart is responsible for sensing pain.  The quran verse does nothing to contradict any ancient idea of pain reception.

[paulpablo]

The quran doesn't exclude the heart being a central organ responsible for the sensation of pain, it doesn't say the heart doesn't sense that the skin is burned, it doesn't say the brain does sense the skin is burned, it simply says the skin is burned and it will cause pain.

If the heart WAS responsible for the sensation of pain the quran verse would still be totally 100% correct wouldn't it?

Not at all. Man’s words always are influenced by the popular concepts. However, Quran does not reflect any popular idea of its time rather by giving skin a preference over the heart it had challenged all popular concepts concerning pain caused by burning skin.

Ok because of this response of yours I think you don't understand what it means that ancient people thought the heart was responsible for the sensation of pain.  I don't think you're fully aware, you show a total lack of understanding. 

I could be wrong, to clarify if you do or don't understand what it means can you -please go more in depth about what you think it means?  What does it mean that ancient people thought the heart was responsible for the sensation of pain?  How exactly did they think it worked?

[paulpablo]

Simply quote the verses with the phrase “SENT DOWN” and I will show you how I know the meaning of those verses.

Any of the verses that include the phrase sent down, take your pick from any of them.  There are some that are talking about quails, books, prophets.

[Harris]

[ReptilianPeon]

[bennyboy]

Sure, if a law book gives reference to some scientific fact then the purpose of that reference is to augment the meaning of “LAW.” That reference do not serve to provide in depth understanding on that scientific reference, for that there are science books.

Except the things you quoted are references to observation, and to poor interpretations of them. . . there's no evidence that they are references to real science, or that God was requried in order for those interpretations to be made.

Regarding clay, think about the food that all living beings are consuming. This food whether in form of herbs or flesh is the product of soil and water. Look at the chemistry of human body and you will realise that all the elements of human body in fact are similar to the elements found in soil and water. We are not getting something unusual from the heavens that is nurturing our bodies rather we are consuming soil and water in different organic forms and when we die we go back to that same soil and turn out to be soil after sometime.

To say that clay turns into semen isn't science. At best, it shows an awareness that the body is sustained with materials from the Earth-- another easily-observable phenomenon.

I do not know any mythology, which points to some present world scientific fact that was not known only 200 years back in time. In case you know such a mythology then I would really appreciate if you share this valuable knowledge with everyone.

No, but they can all be INTERPRETED and spun to represent scientific fact if one is as willing to do so as you are.

As for logic, is there any better logic than:

• There is nothing called “Nothingness”
• There is nothing called “Chance”
• There is nothing without a “Cause”

Perhaps, it is time for you to recheck your logic.

"I don't know therefore Allah" is not a logical improvement.

Yes, anyone can see the difference between two patches of colour. However, for such observation you have to have two patches of colour.

Dude, seriously. Buy a couple bus tickets, go to the sea at the mouth of a river, and tell me what you see.

Have you any idea how big Arabian Desert is? Do you know Saudi Arabia is 15th largest country in the world by area, which is part of Arabian Desert? Do you know there is no river in the whole of Arabian Desert that may fall into some sea and cause Halocline?

Do you know that thousands of years before Muhammed was born, the Romans and Greeks had established links with Europe, Africa and Asia, and collected libraries full of information about the world? Do you know that people had the ability to travel? Do you know that Muhammed had language, and therefore had plenty of access to all kinds of knowledge outside the Arabian Desert?

“Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? … ”
Al Anbiyaa' (21)
-Verse 30-

It's their way of saying that everything was made by God. This is not a surprising position for monotheists to take. It's also hopelessly imprecise and lacking any detail that could confirm that it represents a knowledge of the Big Bang or anything else that is scientific.

Why only Quran is mentioning about that darkness and about deep ocean currents? Why not anyone else?

Hmmm. . . maybe because millions of texts were burned in Alexandria and other places? Maybe because it's so obvious to anyone familiar with oceans that nobody bothered to make a point of it?

A lack of evidence that people knew about the obvious and easily-observable isn't really good support for the miraculous nature of the Quran. It is much better support for the nature of Time.

Alright then, give your version of commentary to the following verse.

“With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace.”
Adz-Dzaariya (51)
-Verse 47-PM Find

"God made everything, cuz he's the shizzit." Not science. Not a miracle.

[IATIA]

• There is nothing without a “Cause”

Your god had no cause, therefore, there your god does not exist.

[paulpablo]

“Burning skin causes pain” is sufficient information for a rational person to avoid fire at any price. Clever person is the one who saves himself from the hellfire.

Are you ignoring what I'm telling you and then just typing random words?  I said you're wrong, the quran does not mention anything is necessary in order to feel pain. And you're replying with this, which has nothing to do with what I just said.

If you say 2+2 = 5 and I correct you by saying it's 4, you can't just avoid the issue of you being wrong by saying "Well 4 is a pretty good number aswell."

[paulpablo]

In simple words Quran is saying when people’s skin would be roasted in hellfire, God will give them new skins so they continue feeling the punishment.

Why there would be a need to replace skin because burnt skin does not feel the pain. In this short verse, God has encompassed complete science of skin.

Avoiding the question again, for the 3rd time, do you think people in ancient times experienced the symptoms of 3rd degree burns?  And why is it taking you so long to answer a simple question?