Miracle

[bennyboy]

By saying Universe can be uncaused you are totally undermining Big Bang Theory which is proven true by means of phenomenon of expanding universe and cosmic microwave background radiation.

There is no proof.  There is only evidence that suggests a hypothesis of a "Big Bang".  There have been structures identified that are too "old" to have started after the "big bang".  Few mainline theories incorporate a singularity anymore, but rather an explosion of space-time itself, ergo the lack of a center to the universe.

. . . and then Harris will claim that the Quran said that other thing, whatever it is, all along.

[ReptilianPeon]

By the way, thank you for you Quran download page Harris. I own a physical copy of the the Yusuf Ali Quran, and have done for a while now, just so you know. However, I was actually looking for a Quran for my mobile phone so this would be very useful. Having said that, I'm not sure my mobile phone is a clean, respectable, place to store a Quran. Then again, I'm not superstitious enough to put my Quran on the top shelf, so why should that worry me?

What amazes me is that if we were to list the various flaws in the Bhagavad Gita or the Bible, Harris would agree with them (if the Quran doesn't have the same problem, such as Noah's flood). Why is it that religionists can only see flaws in the religions of others? Still, Harris clings onto that joke we know as Keith Moore. Harris is not sincere.

In regard to their being a consensus about prayer times, you can make the argument that I lied. However, Harris only made a statement that "everyone agrees" rather than demonstrating that Hanbali, Hanafi Maliki, Shafi, Ismali, Jafari, Zaidi, Ibadis and any of the others are all in agreement The fact there are around 200 million Shias with their own Hadith and Ibadis, also with their set of Hadith, demonstrates perfectly that there is no consensus on a variety of issues.

There are more Ibadis than one might think. Many Berbers, in the Maghreb and Libya especially, and some east Africans are also Ibadis. So they are not just confined to Oman. Zanzibar in particular has a population of Ibadis.

If you were to ask the average Sunni or Shia about Jami Sahih, they likely wouldn't have a clue what you're talking about. But to Ibadis, who are an older branch than both Sunni and Shia, Jami Sahih is an authentic collection of Hadith. In fact, along with Tartib al-Musnad, it is the more important collection of Hadith for Ibadis.

But Allah is an evil deity that is full of hatred. Allah gives people infinite punishment for a finite crime. Allah didn't care about all the Egyptians that were killed during the time of Moses. The slaves could have been free in an instant or not have been slaves in the first place. Why not just do a Quran 13:13 on the imperial palace and kill the Pharaoh. That's way less complicated then rivers of blood, locusts, frogs etc. And kill all of the first born children is guilt by association.

Today that would be equivalent to killing all of the babies born to Arab families in the Gulf simply because the royalty in the Gulf refuses to do away with the evil Kafala System which is simply a fancy tern for slavery. The slaves that build the great modern monuments of the Gulf are like the Pyramid builders of old, that Moses supposedly freed. Again, Quran 13:13 springs to mind, because the family of al-Saud has done more damage to the reputation of the Quran than the West ever could. This could all end in an instant, insha'Allah.

Likewise, Allah doesn't care about all of the starving people in Africa. Why should it be left up to the weak humans to do what Allah should be doing? If life is a test then surely everyone should be tested equally? Why do some starve whilst others live a life of luxury? Allah isn't being fair to the starving Africans here. Believe me, I hate the fact that a small number of people have all the riches but Allah can do a whole lot more to solve the problem than individuals can. This problem of starvation can be solve in an instant, insha'Allah.

Second, what was Allah's point in creating the universe of suffering? We humans are confined to this little planet when there is a infinite universe to explore, which seems terribly wasteful to me. Why did Allah feel the need to create anything at all? How long did Allah wait before deciding to create the universe.

I'm not sure how Noah could have reached Mount Judi if it was just a local flood. You would need something to contain the waters in order for them to reach that level. I'm of the impression that waves the size of mountains suggests a global flood, unless of course these mountains where the size of mole hills. Let's not make a mole hill out of a mountain.

Seeing as Harris certain about how our universe began, that means they have knowledge about something that has eluded cosmologists so far. Seeing as Harris access to such a wealth of knowledge maybe Harris could also tell us why gravity is weaker than the other fundamental forces or why the baryon asymmetry problem exists. After all, the Quran has answers to everything it seems. If we could generate electricity using anti-matter that would solve global warming so I would love it if Allah could enlighten us on the existenc of anti-matter.

[robvalue]

All this burning stuff shows that Allah is rubbish. If I was making a load of great mates to hang out with me, and I got to make all the rules, would I design it so that they could get burnt? Or impaled? Or starve to death? Or get diseases? No! I'd leave all those boxes unticked. We'd just have a bloody good time and no one gets burnt.

This shows Allah is either incompetent, impotent or just likes seeing people in pain. Impotent is actually your best bet, if you think he deserves any praise. If he's doing his best with limited resources, he might be stopping things being worse than they are.

[Iroscato]

I have honestly never seen a thread mention the word 'skin' so much in my life...

[ReptilianPeon]

[Cyberman]

The usual response to "can God/Allah/whatever make a rock too heavy for it to lift" is "yes - and then lift it". Not saying it's a response that makes sense, just pointing out the common trap.

[Harris]

[Iroscato]

Oh, but I do blame you, Harris. Prepare thy anus, I am coming for thee.

[paulpablo]

 1. DEGREES of BURN is a scale that doctors have invented to estimate and suggest curing methods. In ancient times people did not know about this scale. Therefore, no one was experiencing DEGREES of BURN. They only were feeling pain. The end.
2. Do you think in today’s world someone while experiencing a burn is able to think about what DEGREES BURN he/she is experiencing? At such moments, there is only one thought in every victims mind and that is “HELP!” Try to burn your hand on the fire where you cook food and while experiencing that burn, try to think about what DEGREE BURN you are getting. Even Dawkins would fail to recall his precious scientific knowledge about DEGREES of BURN at that moment. Therefore, no one experience DEGREES of BURN. They only feel pain. The end.

You're bending over backwards to try and avoid answering a simple question and it's making you look really really stupid.
I've asked you do you think people experienced the symptoms of severe burns/3rd degree burns in ancient times.
I'm not asking you did they understand the term 3rd degree burns.
Your argument is as idiotic as saying a person who can only speak French will have never experienced the symptoms of 3rd degree burns because they don't understand the English phrase "3rd degree burns"

[paulpablo]

No skin no pain

Wrong for reasons already discussed a million times before.