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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 22, 2015 at 2:57 pm
(June 22, 2015 at 2:39 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: (June 22, 2015 at 12:03 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No. A person's culpability is relative. The objective act itself is not. I know you see them as the same thing, but I see them as 2 different things, so you have to keep that in mind.
Except that you explicitly equated culpability and moral responsibility. That means that moral responsibility, that is to say the morality, of an act is not objective. I was referring to the individual person's moral responsibility. The act itself does not have "responsibility." That is something the person holds.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 22, 2015 at 2:57 pm
(June 22, 2015 at 2:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (June 22, 2015 at 2:30 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Nope. He tells her. He informs her.
And even if that wasn't the case, Mary was barely a teenager. She could not give informed consent.
While we do not know her exact age, she was old enough to give consent to being engaged. And she was engaged to Joseph at that time.
*Cough*moral subjectivity*cough*
Women were married much much earlier than now, as teenagers. Joseph was 30. She was 12-14.
Do you think that's ok?
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 22, 2015 at 2:58 pm
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Again, and as before..... when you describe your objective morality and your subjective culpability..I agree..and remind you that -I- call that "subjective morality".
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 22, 2015 at 2:59 pm
(June 22, 2015 at 2:56 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Quote:...“I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 22, 2015 at 3:00 pm
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(June 22, 2015 at 2:57 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: (June 22, 2015 at 2:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: While we do not know her exact age, she was old enough to give consent to being engaged. And she was engaged to Joseph at that time.
*Cough*moral subjectivity*cough*
Women were married much much earlier than now, as teenagers. Joseph was 30. She was 12-14.
Do you think that's ok? Yes, that is ok.
I never claimed that age of consent is an objectively moral thing.
By the way, Neim, I just wanted to say that I will respond to your message at a later time so that I can give it the attention it deserves.
At the moment I am about to head out and get some stuff done.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 22, 2015 at 3:02 pm
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Boy, all of the things you -do- have an "objective" moral position regarding....and that's just not one of them. Theft is bad, objectively. Fucking a child...meh, up to the individual.
-Of course- you get the peedo priests.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 22, 2015 at 3:07 pm
(June 22, 2015 at 3:00 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (June 22, 2015 at 2:57 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: *Cough*moral subjectivity*cough*
Women were married much much earlier than now, as teenagers. Joseph was 30. She was 12-14.
Do you think that's ok? Yes, that is ok.
I never claimed that age of consent is an objectively moral thing.
Are you....serious this time?
Oh my god. Are you really saying that from your standpoint fucking a 12yo is ok?
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 22, 2015 at 3:13 pm
It was a different time, Vic. You have to understand. And Jesus never said it was okay, so we don't know whether he was against child rape or not. The safe bet is to just assume that Jesus thought that marrying a 13 year old was bad but didn't want to upset the people of that time who loved them some young girls.
But of course now we know what Jesus really thought about arranged marriage, bride price, and child rape. And we get that from really studying the Bible down deep. Objectively, God knew it was always bad, but just neglected to make it clear until about 80 years ago. In the western world only.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 22, 2015 at 3:17 pm
I....
I'm gonna go throw up now.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 22, 2015 at 3:22 pm
It's really enough to inspire that response. The level of blindness that you have to envelop yourself with to see the MASSIVE difference in the world that Jesus would have lived in and what we live in now and claim that a Galilean Hebrew would have had the same grasp on morality as we do is just astronomic.
But then you're also claiming that Jesus is God and a ghoul and they're the same thing but also separate in some way but we can't understand it so don't worry about it. So I guess you just live with a certain base level of cognitive dissonance.
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